Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[ElciaDeiLinus]

It seems strange to be freaking out about what is basically the most harmless and RNG free cash shop in MMOs, if anything I'd consider this to be the ideal way to do a cash shop.

Cash shops are part of MMOs, RNG cash items which are generally what get the whales and ruin people financially have been a part of MMOs since as long as I've been playing them.

I can't actually name an MMO that does not have some sort of loot crate or RNG item, generally wherein an average person can expect to get that one item they want after spending $100s- ESO, GW2, BDO, near every overseas MMO, WoW with its TCG prizes that are so rare they can go for $1000s.

FFXIV has done two things that are basically unique in the genre. No RNG, and you can't turn cash items into gil or vice versa.

If you don't think there should be any MTs in games fine- you're basically fighting a battle that was lost over a decade ago but go at it. But if you're looking at the industry as a whole, I can't think of an MMO that is both less greedy and less predatory/dangerous with their cash shop model, heck even several games that aren't near the scope of MMOs are considerably worse.

Far as I'm concerned, the sub pays for content- and FFXIV gives far more content than any non-sub game, and most of those sub games make you pay for their content anyway (ESO for example has full priced xpacs that offer a fraction of what a FFXIV/WoW xpac does, and makes you pay for small content updates too- while many other MMOs just don't add content or will do as much in a year as a sub mmo does in a month). This game includes a considerable amount of cosmetic items obtainable in game; outfits from story, raids that are actually worth wearing, mounts and pets- f2p mmos generally don't have any of that available from playing the game, and instead have them solely from their stores.

ESO mounts you can buy are 30-50 bucks, but the best ones through RNG crates average about $250, and houses can be around $120. BDO outfits are about $40. GW2's entire economy is at the mercy of the real money store. For those games, the cosmetic aspect and often the entire economy and actual gameplay aspect is dominated by real money spending. If you were to buy both the content and the cosmetics that FFXIV has in game at the prices other MMOs charge you'd be paying about $1000 a month, like I don't think people get just how expensive f2p MMOs actually are for what they offer.

[Seraphor]

Like I said, my beef is not the money, but rather it being a separate purchase that I have to go through to get those items if I want them. I'd rather pay for these things up front.

They could add a third subscription option to look like this:

Entry - $12 a month
Standard -$15 a month
Mog-Station OCD Hoarder - However much it takes to get these things for free.

Heck, if they did that, then all of this would be a non-issue even with a cash shop.

This sounds awful.


Say you wanted just one item from the mogstation, lets go with this mount just for the sake of it.
I just want this new mount, so I have to upgrade my subscription to the higher tier. Sure, it gives me access to all other mogstation content, but I don't want any of it, I just want this mount.
I'm not tied into a higher tier subscription until the end of the games life or until I stop playing, because there's no way you can decrease your sub tier.
Just because I wanted one item.
Say I play this game for another 3 years, 36 months, and that higher tier subscription is an extra... $5.
36 x 5 = $180... for a single mount...

[DumdogsWorld]

.....your 1st post quoted there makes no sense...

Its a Subscription based online game, you have to be online to play, and in order to play you are required to update because the previous version is no longer playable.
Even if you were to somehow trick the game to let you play a Previous version, you still have to have an active subscription tied to your account to play the game as well.

Is it pronounced potatoes or potatoes?

Again, it's the same thing. I'm paying to play their latest update, which in turn makes it so that I'm paying for the update.

That 3rd Sub option wouldn't get rid of a cash shop.

But it would add an alternative. I'm always the type to advocate for more options instead of less. The cash shop has exclusives which currently need to be purchased one-by-one in order to be obtained. There's nothing wrong with desiring an alternative way to buy them.

This sounds awful.

It wouldn't be for you. It would be for those that want it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

This sounds awful.


Say you wanted just one item from the mogstation, lets go with this mount just for the sake of it.
I just want this new mount, so I have to upgrade my subscription to the higher tier. Sure, it gives me access to all other mogstation content, but I don't want any of it, I just want this mount.
I'm not tied into a higher tier subscription until the end of the games life or until I stop playing, because there's no way you can decrease your sub tier.
Just because I wanted one item.
Say I play this game for another 3 years, 36 months, and that higher tier subscription is an extra... $5.
36 x 5 = $180... for a single mount...

Adding to this...even if there was an ability to lower your subscription later...you still paid extra to get that mount/One item. So what did you do differently by paying for a Higher Tier Sub for a month for an item, that you couldn't just get from the cash shop? You still paid extra for it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Is it pronounced potatoes or potatoes?

Again, it's the same thing. I'm paying to play their latest update, which in turn makes it so that I'm paying for the update.



But it would add an alternative. I'm always the type to advocate for more options instead of less. The cash shop has exclusives which currently need to be purchased one-by-one in order to be obtaining. There's nothing wrong with desiring an alternative way to buy them.

No you aren't, lol. Your paying for a subscription that gives you an active account that permits you the ability to play the game.
An update is separate from the ability to play the game. You aren't paying for the ability to download Patch 5.25. You can download that for free by just installing the game launcher. Which automatically updates to the latest version, and doesn't charge you to do that.
There is a fundamental difference that you are willfully choosing to ignore.
But, Im sure we will go in circles, so Ill stop arguing this point even if you have a Counter for it.

And dude that Alternative, Doesn't - Change - Anything.
There will Still be a Cash Shop, you will never get Everything for free even by paying a Larger Sub Tier.
Your idea as great as you or like-minded people think it is, wouldn't stop a cash shop. So it doesn't change anything, even with a Higher OCD Tier, you would still have separate Purchase Items being sold in a cash shop.
Paying $30 or so for a sub, won't stop a $20 mount from being put in a cash shop, and that $30 a month you are paying will not give you that mount for free.

[Seraphor]

It wouldn't be for you. It would be for those that want it.

What part of paying $180 for a single mount did you not understand?

[Seraphor]

Adding to this...even if there was an ability to lower your subscription later...you still paid extra to get that mount/One item. So what did you do differently by paying for a Higher Tier Sub for a month for an item, that you couldn't just get from the cash shop? You still paid extra for it.

They wouldn't allow you to lower your tier, just like you can;t go from standard to entry.
Once you're at this hypothetical higher tier, you already have the exclusive items. Lowering the tier would mean removing those items from your character (otherwise people could subscript for one month, 'buy' everything on the mogstation, and then lower their tier) which would be awful, deleting items you paid for because you couldn't keep up your 'rent'.

[DumdogsWorld]

There is a fundamental difference that you are willfully choosing to ignore.

I'm ignoring you? There's a lot of ignoring going around in this thread, from both sides. Deal with it.

What part of paying $180 for a single mount did you not understand?

Funny. I could have sworn that the Mog Station carried more than just a single mount.

[Seraphor]

Funny. I could have sworn that the Mog Station carried more than just a single mount.

So I'd be forced to pay $180 for the entire mogstation catalogue when I only ever wanted a single mount?

[DumdogsWorld]

So I'd be forced to pay $180 for the entire mogstation catalogue when I only ever wanted a single mount?

You wouldn't be forced to do anything. It would be optional, like your beloved cash shop.


Also, I'm going to leave the forum now. People simply disagreeing with me does not bother me, but I seem to be striking nerves everywhere I go. If my very presence is going to cause this sort of thing, then I'll just turn on damage control and go full-blown hermit.