Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[monk-dps]

As in, a package that is partial, or incomplete.

A functional incomplete package is not the same as a complete package. All it takes for a package to be incomplete is a single locked item that cannot be aquired through in-game means.

To be extra fair, you're never given a complete mmo since they are always adding things to it. What you pay for is access to play it. Thats it. Thats all your sub is for, it's not for a completed 60 buck game because those are normally not ongoing projects like mmos. Your 60 bucks at the start is for the disk and atleast for FFXIV that gets you a 30 days without the sub. After that you're expected to pay the 15 bucks to once again enter the front door. That 15 bucks has never been for the cashshop. If you want the things in that shop then just like if you want shadowbringers or any other expac. You got to pay to play. This isn't a one time and you're done. Mmos have never been that. They are always on going so you can't apply the same standard as far as payment to them like you would say Street fighter or Sonic. Those are not ongoing games.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Sometimes I wonder whether or not I'm the only person who joins these threads because of principles, rather than being upset or something. I don't even collect mounts.

I love FFXIV, dislike cash shops, and, like some of the others in this thread, admitted that it would be nice and dandy (to us) if FFXIV didn't have a cash shop. Does that make me upset? No. But it does mean that I won't consider FFXIV the perfect game and that I will criticize it where I feel criticism is due. Calmy, I might add.



We're not given anything. We're buying it.



As in, a package that is partial, or incomplete.

A functional incomplete package is not the same as a complete package. All it takes for a package to be incomplete is a single locked item that cannot be aquired through in-game means.

--What Principle? That you dont like the Optional Non-Invasive ability to buy something you dont need that doesn't effect the game?

--You don't buy patches updates in an MMO. You buy the ability to play the game.

--So literally, you just hate Premium Cash Shop. Even if it doesn't effect the game, you see something you want, you just think it should be free, and games shouldn't be allowed to sell side stuff That is optional, and that helps keep a game running.
You see optional side stuff that you can buy, then it means the game is Incomplete.
Am I understanding you?

[DumdogsWorld]

What Principle? That you dont like the Optional Non-Invasive ability to buy something you dont need that doesn't effect the game?

Yes. Were you expecting a different answer?

You don't buy patches updates in an MMO. You buy the ability to play the game.

Which is the same thing. Unless you know of a way to play any versions of the game client other than the current version and connect to the server in a state other than the current state...

So literally, you just hate Premium Cash Shop. Even if it doesn't effect the game, you see something you want, you just think it should be free, and games shouldn't be allowed to sell side stuff That is optional, and that helps keep a game running.
You see optional side stuff that you can buy, then it means the game is Incomplete.
Am I understanding you?

Yes and no.

Like I said, my beef is not the money, but rather it being a separate purchase that I have to go through to get those items if I want them. I'd rather pay for these things up front.

They could add a third subscription option to look like this:

Entry - $12 a month
Standard -$15 a month
Mog-Station OCD Hoarder - However much it takes to get these things for free.

Heck, if they did that, then all of this would be a non-issue even with a cash shop.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Which is the same thing. Unless you know of a way to play any versions of the game client other than the current version and connect to the server in a state other than the current state...



Yes and no.

Like I said, my beef is not the money, but rather it being a separate purchase that I have to go through to get those items if I want them. I'd rather pay for these things up front.

They could add a third subscription option to look like this:

Entry - $12 a month
Standard -$15 a month
Mog-Station OCD Hoarder - However much it takes to get these things for free.

Heck, if they did that, then all of this would be a non-issue even with a cash shop.

.....your 1st post quoted there makes no sense...
Its a Subscription based online game, you have to be online to play, and in order to play you are required to update because the previous version is no longer playable.
Even if you were to somehow trick the game to let you play a Previous version, you still have to have an active subscription tied to your account to play the game as well.
You still aren't paying for that Update, you are paying to play the game.
Those are 2 different things. If you had a separate charge to get and install the update, then we'd have a different conversation.

That 3rd Sub option wouldn't get rid of a cash shop. They would still sell separate items, and we'd still have the same argument - "I pay X amount a month for a subscription, I think it should be free" nothing would change, nothing would be improved, you'd just be paying 2x the mount for maybe a few extra things, but there is still side stuff being sold.
And now you have people complaining that they dont get X item because they arn't giving SE more and how unfair THAT would be.

[DumdogsWorld]

.....your 1st post quoted there makes no sense...

Its a Subscription based online game, you have to be online to play, and in order to play you are required to update because the previous version is no longer playable.
Even if you were to somehow trick the game to let you play a Previous version, you still have to have an active subscription tied to your account to play the game as well.

Is it pronounced potatoes or potatoes?

Again, it's the same thing. I'm paying to play their latest update, which in turn makes it so that I'm paying for the update.

That 3rd Sub option wouldn't get rid of a cash shop.

But it would add an alternative. I'm always the type to advocate for more options instead of less. The cash shop has exclusives which currently need to be purchased one-by-one in order to be obtained. There's nothing wrong with desiring an alternative way to buy them.

This sounds awful.

It wouldn't be for you. It would be for those that want it.

[Seraphor]

Like I said, my beef is not the money, but rather it being a separate purchase that I have to go through to get those items if I want them. I'd rather pay for these things up front.

They could add a third subscription option to look like this:

Entry - $12 a month
Standard -$15 a month
Mog-Station OCD Hoarder - However much it takes to get these things for free.

Heck, if they did that, then all of this would be a non-issue even with a cash shop.

This sounds awful.


Say you wanted just one item from the mogstation, lets go with this mount just for the sake of it.
I just want this new mount, so I have to upgrade my subscription to the higher tier. Sure, it gives me access to all other mogstation content, but I don't want any of it, I just want this mount.
I'm not tied into a higher tier subscription until the end of the games life or until I stop playing, because there's no way you can decrease your sub tier.
Just because I wanted one item.
Say I play this game for another 3 years, 36 months, and that higher tier subscription is an extra... $5.
36 x 5 = $180... for a single mount...

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

This sounds awful.


Say you wanted just one item from the mogstation, lets go with this mount just for the sake of it.
I just want this new mount, so I have to upgrade my subscription to the higher tier. Sure, it gives me access to all other mogstation content, but I don't want any of it, I just want this mount.
I'm not tied into a higher tier subscription until the end of the games life or until I stop playing, because there's no way you can decrease your sub tier.
Just because I wanted one item.
Say I play this game for another 3 years, 36 months, and that higher tier subscription is an extra... $5.
36 x 5 = $180... for a single mount...

Adding to this...even if there was an ability to lower your subscription later...you still paid extra to get that mount/One item. So what did you do differently by paying for a Higher Tier Sub for a month for an item, that you couldn't just get from the cash shop? You still paid extra for it.

[Awha]

I never understood the hate behind microtransactions in the sense people are against them but most unless it is egregious and overtly predatory in both implementation and intent do nothing expect voice concerns and disapproval. Only effective means of change is impacting the wallet, not a huge fan if cancel culture but I will not deny that such outrage that impacts profits does result in change.

In short mass voting of the wallet is the only thing that will ever cause SE to reconsider their stance on cash shops buy even then that may not do much because of players like myself that tend to buy items regularly off the cash shop.

We can complain but sometimes complaining for the sake of complaining is not healthy.

[DumdogsWorld]

We can complain but sometimes complaining for the sake of complaining is not healthy.

That's only when people fish around for something to complain about. Not venting when you dislike something can be equally unhealthy, and there are people who genuinely hate microtransactions.

But you know, this a forum where Final Fantasy 14 is the perfect game, Square Enix is the perfect company, and any kind of criticism whatsoever makes a person all kinds of petty and entitled.

[Awha]

That's only when people fish around for something to complain about. Not venting when you dislike something can be equally unhealthy, and there are people who genuinely hate microtransactions.

But you know, this a forum where Final Fantasy 14 is the perfect game, Square Enix is the perfect company, and any kind of criticism whatsoever makes a person all kinds of petty and entitled.

Way I see it complaining about something without taking noticable action what is it going to accomplish? The cash shop is not going anywhere, sure one can criticize SE for having a cash shop but words alone rarely ever sway a company at that point people are simply complaining for the sake of complaining since most are not taking action regarding said complaints.

Aspects of this game I do not like, but not much I can do to change it so I have to make a choice is it worth putting up with or not? Sometimes I need to take a break because the aspects I do not enjoy about the game especially during content droughts shine through. I am an odd ball