Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Which is the same thing. Unless you know of a way to play any versions of the game client other than the current version and connect to the server in a state other than the current state...



Yes and no.

Like I said, my beef is not the money, but rather it being a separate purchase that I have to go through to get those items if I want them. I'd rather pay for these things up front.

They could add a third subscription option to look like this:

Entry - $12 a month
Standard -$15 a month
Mog-Station OCD Hoarder - However much it takes to get these things for free.

Heck, if they did that, then all of this would be a non-issue even with a cash shop.

.....your 1st post quoted there makes no sense...
Its a Subscription based online game, you have to be online to play, and in order to play you are required to update because the previous version is no longer playable.
Even if you were to somehow trick the game to let you play a Previous version, you still have to have an active subscription tied to your account to play the game as well.
You still aren't paying for that Update, you are paying to play the game.
Those are 2 different things. If you had a separate charge to get and install the update, then we'd have a different conversation.

That 3rd Sub option wouldn't get rid of a cash shop. They would still sell separate items, and we'd still have the same argument - "I pay X amount a month for a subscription, I think it should be free" nothing would change, nothing would be improved, you'd just be paying 2x the mount for maybe a few extra things, but there is still side stuff being sold.
And now you have people complaining that they dont get X item because they arn't giving SE more and how unfair THAT would be.

[DumdogsWorld]

.....your 1st post quoted there makes no sense...

Its a Subscription based online game, you have to be online to play, and in order to play you are required to update because the previous version is no longer playable.
Even if you were to somehow trick the game to let you play a Previous version, you still have to have an active subscription tied to your account to play the game as well.

Is it pronounced potatoes or potatoes?

Again, it's the same thing. I'm paying to play their latest update, which in turn makes it so that I'm paying for the update.

That 3rd Sub option wouldn't get rid of a cash shop.

But it would add an alternative. I'm always the type to advocate for more options instead of less. The cash shop has exclusives which currently need to be purchased one-by-one in order to be obtained. There's nothing wrong with desiring an alternative way to buy them.

This sounds awful.

It wouldn't be for you. It would be for those that want it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Is it pronounced potatoes or potatoes?

Again, it's the same thing. I'm paying to play their latest update, which in turn makes it so that I'm paying for the update.



But it would add an alternative. I'm always the type to advocate for more options instead of less. The cash shop has exclusives which currently need to be purchased one-by-one in order to be obtaining. There's nothing wrong with desiring an alternative way to buy them.

No you aren't, lol. Your paying for a subscription that gives you an active account that permits you the ability to play the game.
An update is separate from the ability to play the game. You aren't paying for the ability to download Patch 5.25. You can download that for free by just installing the game launcher. Which automatically updates to the latest version, and doesn't charge you to do that.
There is a fundamental difference that you are willfully choosing to ignore.
But, Im sure we will go in circles, so Ill stop arguing this point even if you have a Counter for it.

And dude that Alternative, Doesn't - Change - Anything.
There will Still be a Cash Shop, you will never get Everything for free even by paying a Larger Sub Tier.
Your idea as great as you or like-minded people think it is, wouldn't stop a cash shop. So it doesn't change anything, even with a Higher OCD Tier, you would still have separate Purchase Items being sold in a cash shop.
Paying $30 or so for a sub, won't stop a $20 mount from being put in a cash shop, and that $30 a month you are paying will not give you that mount for free.

[DumdogsWorld]

There is a fundamental difference that you are willfully choosing to ignore.

I'm ignoring you? There's a lot of ignoring going around in this thread, from both sides. Deal with it.

What part of paying $180 for a single mount did you not understand?

Funny. I could have sworn that the Mog Station carried more than just a single mount.

[Seraphor]

Funny. I could have sworn that the Mog Station carried more than just a single mount.

So I'd be forced to pay $180 for the entire mogstation catalogue when I only ever wanted a single mount?

[DumdogsWorld]

So I'd be forced to pay $180 for the entire mogstation catalogue when I only ever wanted a single mount?

You wouldn't be forced to do anything. It would be optional, like your beloved cash shop.


Also, I'm going to leave the forum now. People simply disagreeing with me does not bother me, but I seem to be striking nerves everywhere I go. If my very presence is going to cause this sort of thing, then I'll just turn on damage control and go full-blown hermit.

[Seraphor]

You wouldn't be forced to do anything. It would be optional, like your beloved cash shop.


Also, I'm going to leave the forum now. People simply disagreeing with me does not bother me, but I seem to be striking nerves everywhere I go. If my very presence is going to cause this sort of thing, then I'll just turn on damage control and go full-blown hermit.

But can you not see how being able to pick and choose what you purchase is more customer friendly than being forced to buy all or nothing?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I'm ignoring you? There's a lot of ignoring going around in this thread, from both sides. Deal with it.

I didn't say You were ignoring Me
I said you were ignoring the difference between 2 things. But hey, I see you like to Conflate things.

Also, I'm going to leave the forum now. People simply disagreeing with me does not bother me, but I seem to be striking nerves everywhere I go. If my very presence is going to cause this sort of thing, then I'll just turn on damage control and go full-blown hermit.

What Nerves did you strike? Or will you conflate Disagreement and Debate with Striking a Nerve?

[Awha]

You wouldn't be forced to do anything. It would be optional, like your beloved cash shop.


Also, I'm going to leave the forum now. People simply disagreeing with me does not bother me, but I seem to be striking nerves everywhere I go. If my very presence is going to cause this sort of thing, then I'll just turn on damage control and go full-blown hermit.

No need to take it that far, from what I can tell everyone has been fairly respectful.