Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[SturmChurro]

That seems odd, I would try to fight it I have been suspended from the forums many times and they always provide the post that was the result of the suspension. Sure the reason behind is kind of weak but if the email does not have the post or quote what was said for the suspended you should fight it.

You cannot fight a ban on these forums. There are no appeals, moderator action is final. Trust me. I know.

Mog-Station OCD Hoarder - However much it takes to get these things for free.

Heck, if they did that, then all of this would be a non-issue even with a cash shop.

That sounds more egregious than having the cash shop as it is. In my opinion, a really bad idea. Fallout 1st here we go.

If yo uwant the items. Buy them. What is the difference between buying them through a faux subscription fee or just paying for them upfront? The difference is they can load that horrible subscription idea with a bunch of dog poop to justify the cost. While you can directly buy exactly the bonus items you want through the mogstation and not be paying continuously for garbage.

[SturmChurro]

PSA : SE is silencing people who oppose their atrocious monatization practices. My boyfriend made this thread to make light of SE gating seasonal content in the cash shop. Last night he was banned from the forums under false pretense so that he couldn't continue voicing his concern in the forums. Many people are arguing that this seasonal mount in the cash shop isn't that bad. However, where do we draw the line for what is acceptable in a subscription game that is leaning towards a free to play model?

"False pretenses". No. The forum mods here actually legitimately ban for quite a few things, and your boyfriend must have done one of them. Trust me. I know. I highly doubt he was silenced for his opinion on the spriggan mount.

I find these condescending attitudes to be quite amusing. I'm sure you're laughing at me just as hard as I'm laughing at you.

Some people like reminiscing about the days when a purchase for a product actually gave you the entire product. If I wanted to unlock an extra outfit in a Super Nintendo game, I didn't have to buy an extra cartridge. If I wanted a larger game that was more expensive to make, I simply paid more.

Here's the thing. You DID pay for the product. These are EXTRA items added after the fact, made by a completely seperate team, made specifically for the MOGSTATION. This Spriggan mount would not exist otherwise. No matter how much you or others may think it was ripped out of the event to sell for premium. It is simply not true.

[SinisterJoints]

"False pretenses". No. The forum mods here actually legitimately ban for quite a few things, and your boyfriend must have done one of them. Trust me. I know. I highly doubt he was silenced for his opinion on the spriggan mount.

You can get banned on these forums for quite a lot unfortunately. The mods never seem to be consistent though so take it as you will.

[SturmChurro]

You can get banned on these forums for quite a lot unfortunately. The mods never seem to be consistent though so take it as you will.

Yep, people here would probably be surprised just how far they will go, and just how broad the actual ToS, and forum guidelines actually are interpreted. Either way, highly doubtful they would have been banned for their opinion on the spriggan mount. No way.

[Lathander81]

"False pretenses". No. The forum mods here actually legitimately ban for quite a few things, and your boyfriend must have done one of them. Trust me. I know. I highly doubt he was silenced for his opinion on the spriggan mount.

Here's the thing. You DID pay for the product. These are EXTRA items added after the fact, made by a completely seperate team, made specifically for the MOGSTATION. This Spriggan mount would not exist otherwise. No matter how much you or others may think it was ripped out of the event to sell for premium. It is simply not true.

I didnt do anything to warrant a ban and no there wasnt a reason given. I didnt even receive an e-mail. Its the first time I have ever been banned from a forum.

So I know that there is a separate team that makes the items for the Mogstation...but they dont get their money from the mogstation only...which means they use revenue from subs etc. Also its funny if they are so separate that they were able to coordinate a spriggan mount at the same time as the seaonal event. The real point its a Spriggan..you know the creature thats on the title of the hatchtide. This should have been made available in the game not some bunny costume (which would have been fine in the Mogstation).

[Payadopa]

The amount of people shilling for SE here is worrying, not gonna lie. How about we increase the monthly subscription, make every future mount a Mog Station only item and all dyes are single use and can only be purchased for real money. I'm sure even then people would defend the game. Give them and inch and such. Some people have no common sense. /sigh

[Payadopa]

However, where do we draw the line for what is acceptable in a subscription game that is leaning towards a free to play model?

For me it's double dipping. Plain and simple.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

The amount of people shilling for SE here is worrying, not gonna lie. How about we increase the monthly subscription, make every future mount a Mog Station only item and all dyes are single use and can only be purchased for real money. I'm sure even then people would defend the game. Give them and inch and such. Some people have no common sense. /sigh

It seems to me that you have no common sense. Every current day MMO has a cash shop. No one is "shilling for SE" when the simple fact is that EVERYTHING on the Mog Station is completely optional. None of it is predatorial. There's nothing anyone NEEDS from the Mog Station. It's all optional stuff that doesn't impact character stats, gameplay, or overall enjoyment factor. None of it. In fact, the Mog Station isn't even directly tied into the game. You can't open a menu in XIV and access the Mog Station through it. This is literally the most easy going and non-invasive cash shop I've seen in an MMO. Calm the calamity that is your mammeries

[SamRF]

It seems to me that you have no common sense. Every current day MMO has a cash shop. No one is "shilling for SE" when the simple fact is that EVERYTHING on the Mog Station is completely optional. None of it is predatorial. There's nothing anyone NEEDS from the Mog Station. It's all optional stuff that doesn't impact character stats, gameplay, or overall enjoyment factor. None of it. In fact, the Mog Station isn't even directly tied into the game. You can't open a menu in XIV and access the Mog Station through it. This is literally the most easy going and non-invasive cash shop I've seen in an MMO. Calm the calamity that is your mammeries

It might be better to be overly critical to prevent SE from considering taking further steps in expanding Cash Shop practices. Give an inch of tolerance and they usually will take a mile. Perhaps not at once, but little by little. Even if it's all useless criticism and they never were going to expand anyway, it's a worthy security measure to let developpers know where you stand.

Unless you actually like the existence of Cash Shop and want to expand it, shilling for SE just because you're a fanboy is silly and not in your best interest I'd say.

[linay]

The amount of people shilling for SE here is worrying, not gonna lie. How about we increase the monthly subscription, make every future mount a Mog Station only item and all dyes are single use and can only be purchased for real money. I'm sure even then people would defend the game. Give them and inch and such. Some people have no common sense. /sigh

Just because people won't accept a more extreme action/behavior doesn't mean they can't accept a more reasonable action/behavior. Don't try to create a strawman argument.

For me it's double dipping. Plain and simple.

You're free not to let them have their "second dip" from your wallet if that's what you think.

It might be better to be overly critical to prevent SE from considering taking further steps in expanding Cash Shop practices. Give an inch of tolerance and they usually will take a mile. Perhaps not at once, but little by little. Even if it's all useless criticism and they never were going to expand anyway, it's a worthy security measure to let developpers know where you stand.

Unless you actually like the existence of Cash Shop and want to expand it, shilling for SE just because you're a fanboy is silly and not in your best interest I'd say.

People have different opinions and the word "shilling" means nothing if you just apply it to anyone defending a company's action.

As for being overly critical, I don't see how it's a security measure at all when there are people actually purchasing items from the Mog Station, thus validating SE's decision to have it via actions. All the complaints do is put a voice to something that's already apparent: that not everyone wants to purchase items from the Mog Station.

In fact, being overly critical makes it meaningless when there are other things that you may want to criticize that perhaps are more important to criticize as people will already know that you have a habit of being overly critical.