Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[Seraphor]

The thing is, even if SE don't "need" the income from the cash shop, they do get it, which means FFXIV brings in more money, which means it gets more funding, which means more content.
So indirectly, the game does benefit from the cash shop.
It's up to you whether you feel the need to buy anything from it, anything purely optional and cosmetic.

[SturmChurro]

The thing is, even if SE don't "need" the income from the cash shop, they do get it, which means FFXIV brings in more money, which means it gets more funding, which means more content.
So indirectly, the game does benefit from the cash shop.
It's up to you whether you feel the need to buy anything from it, anything purely optional and cosmetic.

Just wait for the argument. "They use all the profits towards other projects". You'll be seeing that on this page or two, if someone decides to reply to you.

[Awha]

He was not given a reason for the ban. They used a generic view forum guideline.

We dont oppose SE using a cash shop. However, if you have played the game for more than a few years, you would have seen that the cash shop has become increasingly egregious. A subscription game should be held to a higher standard, even their biggest competitor`s cash shop isnt as bad as this.

That seems odd, I would try to fight it I have been suspended from the forums many times and they always provide the post that was the result of the suspension. Sure the reason behind is kind of weak but if the email does not have the post or quote what was said for the suspended you should fight it. Though I have been banned for profanity, using the r word, cancer in a certain context, posting a pic of an otter, taking part in an already necro thread, calling someone a fool. List goes on SE forum mods do not play.

Thing is SE cash shop is rather tame even at it's most "egregious" I do get where you are coming from, but when I have to to disagree with you regarding blizzards cash shop if that is what you are referring to. Granted it is a subjective I do feel SE does a good job with balancing the cash shop and in game mounts. Blizzard seems to put more effort into their cash shop mounts, maybe outside the massive in game money sink mounts but even then given tokens those could also be obtained through the cash shop.

[DumdogsWorld]

What Principle? That you dont like the Optional Non-Invasive ability to buy something you dont need that doesn't effect the game?

Yes. Were you expecting a different answer?

You don't buy patches updates in an MMO. You buy the ability to play the game.

Which is the same thing. Unless you know of a way to play any versions of the game client other than the current version and connect to the server in a state other than the current state...

So literally, you just hate Premium Cash Shop. Even if it doesn't effect the game, you see something you want, you just think it should be free, and games shouldn't be allowed to sell side stuff That is optional, and that helps keep a game running.
You see optional side stuff that you can buy, then it means the game is Incomplete.
Am I understanding you?

Yes and no.

Like I said, my beef is not the money, but rather it being a separate purchase that I have to go through to get those items if I want them. I'd rather pay for these things up front.

They could add a third subscription option to look like this:

Entry - $12 a month
Standard -$15 a month
Mog-Station OCD Hoarder - However much it takes to get these things for free.

Heck, if they did that, then all of this would be a non-issue even with a cash shop.

[SturmChurro]

That seems odd, I would try to fight it I have been suspended from the forums many times and they always provide the post that was the result of the suspension. Sure the reason behind is kind of weak but if the email does not have the post or quote what was said for the suspended you should fight it.

You cannot fight a ban on these forums. There are no appeals, moderator action is final. Trust me. I know.

Mog-Station OCD Hoarder - However much it takes to get these things for free.

Heck, if they did that, then all of this would be a non-issue even with a cash shop.

That sounds more egregious than having the cash shop as it is. In my opinion, a really bad idea. Fallout 1st here we go.

If yo uwant the items. Buy them. What is the difference between buying them through a faux subscription fee or just paying for them upfront? The difference is they can load that horrible subscription idea with a bunch of dog poop to justify the cost. While you can directly buy exactly the bonus items you want through the mogstation and not be paying continuously for garbage.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Yes because the fact it is a spriggan with a basket sold with last year hatching tide item and one week before hatching tide as nothing to do with the theme.

What next? A spooky mount for halloween but hey just because it's a ghost doesn't mean it related to halloween.
Lol.

So literally, just because its a Sprig that means its Easter Themed. Has anybody actually looked at the Mount in Game? It has nothing to do with Easter.
The best you can do is say "Well its holding a Basket, there-for its Easter"

How spooky we talking? Because they could release a Spooky Mount at any time this year before and after Halloween, and Ill bet this same conversation comes up - "It should have been free for the event"
Even it it isnt tied to the event at all.

But you know, this a forum where Final Fantasy 14 is the perfect game, Square Enix is the perfect company, and any kind of criticism whatsoever makes a person all kinds of petty and entitled.

Posts like these man.....Sound Very Petty and Entitled.
Nobody has taken away your right or ability to complain or Criticize anything. But like your stance and Opinion on any subject, there will always be those with an Opposite Opinion. And how many threads do you visit? You should know already that FFXIV is not the perfect game and Square isnt the Perfect Company, and there is nobody that has that Opinion

[Awha]

You cannot fight a ban on these forums. There are no appeals, moderator action is final. Trust me. I know.

That is true, but if the email does not have a quote as to the reason for the suspension no matter how trivial then they should fight it. If the got an email said you are suspended for x reason without showing where you broke the rule that seems out of character for SE. Trust me I know I have been suspended many times and even if their reason is odd, they have always provided a comment that resulted the suspension. Even if it goes no where, people should make a record when a forum moderator does suspended someone without a reason. Do not get me wrong I do think the email had a reason but without knowing for sure I will give them the benefit of doubt.

[SturmChurro]

That is true, but if the email does not have a quote as to the reason for the suspension no matter how trivial then they should fight it. If the got an email said you are suspended for x reason without showing where you broke the rule that seems out of character for SE. Trust me I know I have been suspended many times and even if their reason is odd, they have always provided a comment that resulted the suspension. Even if it goes no where, people should make a record when a forum moderator does suspended someone without a reason. Do not get me wrong I do think the email had a reason but without knowing for sure I will give them the benefit of doubt.

There is a reason I say "it seems", or I attack the idea, or I say "they", "some people", "maybe", "in my opinion". If you don't use those words you can be banned for "libel, slander". For example. It's the same reason I use a spongebob vocabulary, like I am in 6th grade. The forum guidelines are very broad. I'm sure if there is a ban it is legitimate, no matter how bad you or I may think it is.

[DumdogsWorld]

Posts like these man.....Sound Very Petty and Entitled.
Nobody has taken away your right or ability to complain or Criticize anything. But like your stance and Opinion on any subject, there will always be those with an Opposite Opinion. And how many threads do you visit? You should know already that FFXIV is not the perfect game and Square isnt the Perfect Company, and there is nobody that has that Opinion

Being petty and entitled implies that my number 1 priority is getting what I want here. I'd be perfectly content with not getting my way here and people flat-out disagreeing with me while being super chill about it. But, like everything else, it's almost as if some people take things a little too personally. Or they don't, but feel the need to mock others anyway.

So yeah. Let's try this again. I'll do me and you do you. Square Enix will only listen to one of us, and that's most definitely you. Congratulations.

If you want the items. Buy them. What is the difference between buying them through a faux subscription fee or just paying for them upfront?

I already explained this.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Which is the same thing. Unless you know of a way to play any versions of the game client other than the current version and connect to the server in a state other than the current state...



Yes and no.

Like I said, my beef is not the money, but rather it being a separate purchase that I have to go through to get those items if I want them. I'd rather pay for these things up front.

They could add a third subscription option to look like this:

Entry - $12 a month
Standard -$15 a month
Mog-Station OCD Hoarder - However much it takes to get these things for free.

Heck, if they did that, then all of this would be a non-issue even with a cash shop.

.....your 1st post quoted there makes no sense...
Its a Subscription based online game, you have to be online to play, and in order to play you are required to update because the previous version is no longer playable.
Even if you were to somehow trick the game to let you play a Previous version, you still have to have an active subscription tied to your account to play the game as well.
You still aren't paying for that Update, you are paying to play the game.
Those are 2 different things. If you had a separate charge to get and install the update, then we'd have a different conversation.

That 3rd Sub option wouldn't get rid of a cash shop. They would still sell separate items, and we'd still have the same argument - "I pay X amount a month for a subscription, I think it should be free" nothing would change, nothing would be improved, you'd just be paying 2x the mount for maybe a few extra things, but there is still side stuff being sold.
And now you have people complaining that they dont get X item because they arn't giving SE more and how unfair THAT would be.