Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[Nedkel]

I wish they stop making mounts and give us more casual wear instead.
The priorities should be:
Glamours > everything else > mounts

[DumdogsWorld]

This is a pretty poor argument on its face since the agreement for your sub is for particular access to particular content. Youre not being promised something and they not delivering - within reason of course.

So, in other words, the answer is to either unsubscribe or deal with it, like everything else in this game.

Good to know.

[monk-dps]

So, in other words, the answer is to either unsubscribe or deal with it, like everything else in this game.

Good to know.

Not to be mean but is he wrong? They are never going to get rid of the cash shop unless you want your sub prices to skyrocket. If not that then actually breaking up the game like EA or Ubi-soft or something? I'd rather keep our system we have now.

[Melichoir]

not to "ACKCHULLY" you but I feel this needs a little correcting.

This is not "spare time", this is an entire team hired and funded by their own work to make extras. This isn't the primary developer team doing extra work on the weekends or downtime, this is a whole other team they created and fund for the purpose of making these extras. It's like hiring a whole new dessert chef who only gets paid if people order the desserts.

So what youre saying is theyre contracting out a side content thing, so that has 0 impact on the main game development because it doesnt interfere with their dev cycle. Well, doesnt that just make it even more entitlement then? This is them using part of their revenue from one aspect of the game to generate more revenue. Imagine that, another basic business strategy!

And before cute people chime in with "Wellll they couldve used that money on the main game" everything is cost analysis based. SE execs arent twirling their mustaches thinking "How can we screw the little guy even more!!!!" It boils down to them predicting that for 'x' amount of money, they can only generate either 'y' amount of return investment if they dump into into the subscriber content or 'z' amount of return investment if its a mog station exclusive. If subscriber content always generated more money, that is where we would see the money go. Theyre not gonna make mogstation shenanigans if it gets them less bang for their buck. And if you think about a lot of what is on mogstation, that seems to be the case overall - They get more bang for their buck developing subscriber content than developing other stuff.


Point in the end is still the same. They provide us with a ton of content as is, and this is more side crap at the end of the day that you can buy if you really want it. It has no bearing on the overall game within reasonable terms.

So, in other words, the answer is to either unsubscribe or deal with it, like everything else in this game.

Good to know.

Yeah pretty much. Its your wallet. Dont like a service, stop opening your wallet for it.

[DumdogsWorld]

Not to be mean but is he wrong? They are never going to get rid of the cash shop unless you want your sub prices to skyrocket. If not that then actually breaking up the game like EA or Ubi-soft or something? I'd rather keep our system we have now.

We all have our opinions. I'd rather pay $30+ a month instead of $15 and get complete 100% access to everything. Micro-transactions are a disease.

Anyway, this game is way better than the other MMOs on the market, so I most likely won't be unsubbing any time soon. But if people say that their payment system now is the best way of handling it, then I'll disagree with them any day. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Tyssyn]

Okay, with all the hollering about how a 'cash shop' is bad.... does anyone know of an MMO that doesn't have a cash shop? Blizzard has a cash shop - mounts, minions (pets), some glamour, name change, race change, level boosts and their mounts are all $25 and minions are all $10 - the only thing a bit better is they are account bound, not single character. SE's $24 dollar mounts are all account bound, while the cheaper ones are single character. Blizzard doesn't have housing so they don't have housing items for sale obviously. Every other MMO I have tried has a cash shop and most are worse - lootboxes are just... meh. NOTHING in SE's cash shop is necessary to play the game and play it well. They are optional items that hey, if you have some extra cash, might be worth buying!

And the fact that unlike most games, Se allows people to pay a little bit if they missed a seasonal event to get the nifty things that still do not change game play for you, is a nice gesture in my eyes.

Good luck finding an MMO that doesn't have a cash shop.

[Melichoir]

We all have our opinions. I'd rather pay $30+ a month instead of $15 and get complete 100% access to everything. Micro-transactions are a disease.

Anyway, this game is way better than the other MMOs on the market, so I most likely won't be unsubbing any time soon. But if people say that their payment system now is the best way of handling it, then I'll disagree with them any day. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Personally, rather keep an easy 15 a month sub and let me pick and choose what additional cosmetic shenanigans I want to buy then pay 30+ a month for stuff Ill probably not be interested in. Even if its 15 more a month, thats an extra 180 a year. I spend maybe 60 on optional items per year at most. Micro transactions arent a disease. Theyre a selling tool that can be good or bad, depending how theyre used. What mogstation does? Thats fine. Selling me gambling proxies or DLC thats just the main game chopped off bits, not fine.

[Krotoan]

So what youre saying is theyre contracting out a side content thing, so that has 0 impact on the main game development because it doesnt interfere with their dev cycle. Well, doesnt that just make it even more entitlement then? This is them using part of their revenue from one aspect of the game to generate more revenue. Imagine that, another basic business strategy!

I'm.. not sure why you think I'm arguing with your overall point, I just feel the clarification of what the cash shop team actually is is important before any further arguments around it are made. Yes, they are totally side content. I am one of those people who understands if the cash shop didn't exist those items wouldn't exist. I have bought a few things from the shop myself and am fully aware that it is a luxury on top of luxury offering.

[Awha]

So, in other words, the answer is to either unsubscribe or deal with it, like everything else in this game.

Good to know.

That is the reality of the situation. Microtransactions like them or not are here to stay expecting otherwise is foolish. People may have differing opinions but I do think that any opinion that revolves around removal of the cash shop is pipe dream.

[Vahlnir]

That is the reality of the situation. Microtransactions like them or not are here to stay expecting otherwise is foolish. People may have differing opinions but I do think that any opinion that revolves around removal of the cash shop is pipe dream.

Yep. Can't close Pandora's Box once it has been opened. Some games are just better at hiding it than others. The vast majority of the content we receive is implemented in game as part of our subscription, so I can't really complain. Were that to change then yeah I'd probably be pretty vocal about it, but hopefully it doesn't. Most of the stuff that goes on the Mogstation I don't care about, but once in a great while they will add something that I have a mighty need for.