Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

[Hysterior]

To me, mounts are purely cosmetics so I really don't care. Already have way enough.
There will always be whales buying them all so I don't see SE getting rid of them anytime soon. That's easy cash.

[Eli85]

I won't defend the cash shop, but it floors me that people are this passionate about optional, cosmetic-only items. Nothing in the cash shop affects anything meaningful in-game (and to be clear, meaningful means character progression).

Some of the whining in this thread I would expect from pay-to-win options, not cosmetic mounts.

[Makeda]

If you are going to say "You dont have to buy it" Dont bother...the point is after paying all this money to play the game now....Just wow.

But I will bother.

I could clear all the way through savage and ultimate without any of those mounts. Nor would they even help me do so.

So charging money for them is fair game.

They are not needed to successfully play the game, at all.

Non-issue here.

[Alleo]

But I will bother.

I could clear all the way through savage and ultimate without any of those mounts. Nor would they even help me do so.

So charging money for them is fair game.

They are not needed to successfully play the game, at all.

Non-issue here.

I dont care for Ultimates and you dont need to clear them to play the story so I would be fine if they are behind a paywall.

Cosmetics are important to players. A lot of the content is stuffed full with rewards because they know that a lot of it is only done because of these rewards. Most of these rewards are glamour, hair, pets, mounts and now new dye. SE would not sell us so many cosmetic items including mounts if people did not want them. They are (next to the challenge) for a lot of people the reason they farm stuff. So yes they are quite important.

I would be less against the cash shop if there are certain things:
1. Old events items should be cheap. They are basically selling something that was once free ingame for real money. Including stuff that can be eaten. (Yoshida even once said that they are not selling those event items to earn money but to give players a chance to own them...yet the prices tell us something quite different..)
2. Any exclusive cash shop item should be either in the game and buying it would only give it to you faster or there should be a way to exchange ingame currency for cash shop money or sell the items ingame.

Win Win for everyone. Those with income that they want to spend on these digital items can still do it and ignore the grind, the rest can either grind the currency or just the item directly.

Just get a job and order one less a pizza a month and boom there is your mount money

With this you assume that anyone who is against cash shop is just against it because they are poor. Thats not true at all. I did buy stuff in the past (when I still believed that this will help the game..then I saw how we got less and less) and I could buy stuff now but I dont. I dont care if you do. The bad ones are still SE who are doing quite fine with creating items that people want to spend money on. Its the sad truth that as soon as a cool mount is shown the first question some ask is: Will this be in the mog station again?

In the end they should already earn quite a bit of money from the potions and old event items. I just dont see any need for them to sell exlcusive stuff to us..especially when they already sell ingame items with real merchandise.

[DumdogsWorld]

I dont care for Ultimates and you dont need to clear them to play the story so I would be fine if they are behind a paywall. .

I 100% agree with the point you're making, but I would also like to point out that the analogy is slightly flawed because it mixes up content and rewards.

It would be more accurate to compare it to letting you complete your ultimates, extreme trials, etc, but then you need to pay a real life fee to actually obtain your loot, tokens, and weapons.

[Alleo]

I 100% agree with the point you're making, but I would also like to point out that the analogy is slightly flawed because it mixes up content and rewards.

It would be more accurate to compare it to letting you complete your ultimates, extreme trials, etc, but then you need to pay a real life fee to actually obtain your loot, tokens, and weapons.

Yeah I guess it might be better, my point was just that in the end you dont need Ultimates to play the game and since its fine that we have to pay for the items since they are not main part of the game, it should be fine to pay for that too. And then they could use it to make more ultimates too.

[monk-dps]

I dont care for Ultimates and you dont need to clear them to play the story so I would be fine if they are behind a paywall.

Cosmetics are important to players. A lot of the content is stuffed full with rewards because they know that a lot of it is only done because of these rewards. Most of these rewards are glamour, hair, pets, mounts and now new dye. SE would not sell us so many cosmetic items including mounts if people did not want them. They are (next to the challenge) for a lot of people the reason they farm stuff. So yes they are quite important.

I would be less against the cash shop if there are certain things:
1. Old events items should be cheap. They are basically selling something that was once free ingame for real money. Including stuff that can be eaten. (Yoshida even once said that they are not selling those event items to earn money but to give players a chance to own them...yet the prices tell us something quite different..)
2. Any exclusive cash shop item should be either in the game and buying it would only give it to you faster or there should be a way to exchange ingame currency for cash shop money or sell the items ingame.

Win Win for everyone. Those with income that they want to spend on these digital items can still do it and ignore the grind, the rest can either grind the currency or just the item directly.

Why should everything be in the game? I'd agree with this if everything was being made by the main dev team. But it's not, and honestly, if that was the case I know for a fact our subs would be alot higher. That's just how buisnesses work. Besides this cashshop we have in XIV is NOTHING compared to ESO. Go play THAT game and deal with that shop then you'll see how good we have it here. Also it's not like we don't get mounts and stuff ingame that'll never hit the shop. Hell The moogle dance or any of those dances for one. I'd LOVE to buy that but you can only get it one way. So why is that ok but a simple mount isn't? It can go both ways. We get tons of stuff that's locked to odd modes and grinds in the game. The cash shop getting one of two mounts on it's own is not that big of a deal.

[yukiiyuki]

Remember good ol days when we had shop in Classic WoW? All those cool mounts you could buy with real money, yeah... good times.
We're living in 2k20, where you need to buy season passes, pay additional cash for stuff in games with subscription, charge for New Game+ and even demand 2 dollars for changing color of the hair in DoA that have over 100 purchasble DLC.
It's business and lately people forgetting that big companies are not their friends.

[SamRF]

Remember good ol days when we had shop in Classic WoW? All those cool mounts you could buy with real money, yeah... good times.
We're living in 2k20, where you need to buy season passes, pay additional cash for stuff in games with subscription, charge for New Game+ and even demand 2 dollars for changing color of the hair in DoA that have over 100 purchasble DLC.
It's business and lately people forgetting that big companies are not their friends.

(not argument against you or something, just adding a point)
Thing is, companies are simply abiding by supply and demand. It's not their fault people are willing to buy these things and make it a profitable business strategy. People should be more strict with where they draw the line with their wallet and feedback. I'm betting many who criticize the Cash Shop's existence still do buy items from there (as have I regretfully).

[linay]

(not argument against you or something, just adding a point)
Thing is, companies are simply abiding by supply and demand. It's not their fault people are willing to buy these things and make it a profitable business strategy. People should be more strict with where they draw the line their wallet and feedback. I'm betting many who criticize the Cash Shop's existence still do buy items from there (as have I regretfully).

Simply put, if you see something you like and it's within your budget of disposable income, then feel free to buy it. If not, feel free not to buy it. There is no need to complicate the matter.

That said, it's another issue altogether if you think the game itself is not giving you what you consider is worth the price you paid for it. Then I can see why having additional purchases would not look favorably, especially if those additional purchases would make the game worth the price more.

But if that's the case, then first you have to identify if FFXIV fits those two conditions for you, and if it does, then frame the discussion around those two conditions, not simply about having additional purchases beyond the price of game + subscription.