Redo catch % for old "big fish."

[Gemina]

Today while fishing at a level 50 big fish hole, "the fish gets away" occurred eight times in a row one time frame and six another time. As I write this, I'm doing it again and have lost the last three... I get why you have a system like that in place but at the same time, that's a bit ridiculous as a level 80 with level 80 gear (2 star at that).

You got a lord to bite 8 times in one window; it shouldn't be difficult to figure out how the devs decided to make that fish difficult to catch, as is the case with many lords with a straight catch requirement.

You need to look at the older fishing holes like doing content with an ilv sync. You still get all your abilities, but your primary stat(s) are gimped. For just about any lord that is or close to being a straight catch is going to have a pretty big RNG factor slapped on the catch itself. Other lords have so many layers of RNG, the challenge is getting through all of it, and if you manage to do that, then catching the lord is easy. One way or the other, it is extremely rare to be able to catch a lord through force and that includes an inflated gathering stat.

If your patience has ran out at a particular fishing hole, the best thing to do is pack up your tackle box and move on to another. T'was not your day my friend.

[Canadane]

Sometimes that true. Others... not so much. How exactly is the inside of the leatherworkers guild any different looking at 4pm on a cloudy day?

Yeah that one I could see not needing a weather requirement. I was pretty baffled, but it also becomes very easy during xmas time when the snow in the cities happen since that works.

Skywatcher NPCs only see up to 24 game hours ahead and (more importantly) aren't accessible when you're currently standing at a difficult-to-reach vista, unless you get someone else to repeatedly check them for you.

I've had instances where I saw the appropriate weather coming up on the skywatcher and rushed to try to get to the vista, but wasn't able to actually reach it before the weather had ended. Hurray for tons of wasted time.

Total garbage system, won't be missed.

I'm sorry you don't like a modicum of challenge in your game, I guess it really isn't for all. But there are tools the community has prepared to help you.
For weather,
https://skywatcher.plus/
https://super-aardvark.github.io/weather/

For the Sightseeing Log specifically,
https://tylian.net/sslog/
https://ffxiv.ariyala.com/SightseeingLog

The ARR ones were great and it is currently missed.

To not utilize such options would be like asking someone who's having trouble with big fish to not have https://ff14fish.carbuncleplushy.com/ on hand.
(It's also a segue into getting back on topic.)

[Fynlar]

I'm sorry you don't like a modicum of challenge in your game,

Please don't confuse challenge with needless tedium. That's a common error made around these forums; I'm rather surprised to see you making it, because I know you're usually smarter than that.

Content in pretty much any video game that has you just waiting around for something to happen is pretty much the antithesis of fun. You know, fun; the sort of thing a video game should be trying to be.

[Theodric]

I wouldn't have an issue with the older big fish being made less frustrating to catch. I don't consider layers upon layers of RNG to be a particularly thrilling experience, especially when some of the fishing windows are weeks/months apart.

[Canadane]

Content in pretty much any video game that has you just waiting around for something to happen is pretty much the antithesis of fun. You know, fun; the sort of thing a video game should be trying to be.

Again, I don't think I've particularly waited any great deal of time for any vista. It's not hard to keep track of when and where to be for a vista to be available.
But also this is an MMO, waiting for things to happen sometimes is part of the game. It's part about the living breathing world.

[Fynlar]

Again, I don't think I've particularly waited any great deal of time for any vista. It's not hard to keep track of when and where to be for a vista to be available.

I've waited for hours on top of the wood post in North Shroud (great "vista" btw, very realistic and breathtaking) because I wasn't sure when I would be able to successfully jump on top of it again, and that's how long it took for the proper time/weather condition to show up again. It took me nearly a couple hours to get on top of it the first time, which is also how I missed its window the first time.

At least when I finally managed to scale the Kugane tower, that was it; I could get my vista and it was done, no waiting around. (Just don't get me started on the lamppost vista they only added in later to be total jerks...)

[DrWho2010]

you people tend to forget - this is a game that is online all the time. it never goes away. therefore somethings WILL be gated by real time "mechanics" and RNG is added to keep things around for longer. you complain about things like this is an offline single player RPG when it is not.

[Fynlar]

you people tend to forget - this is a game that is online all the time. it never goes away. therefore somethings WILL be gated by real time "mechanics" and RNG is added to keep things around for longer.

I don't know about everyone else but I'm not trying to say nothing in this game should ever have RNG applied to it. I'm just saying that there's no (good) reason we should be failing to catch stuff that's 2-3 expansions old just because it's a "big fish". It's still years-old content. Level 50 stuff that would have been difficult to gather as a level 50 BTN/MIN is trivial now, as it should be.

I just think there's already enough other conditions tied to the big fish, such as time of day, weather, mooching, etc. that we shouldn't also have innate failure rates piled on top of that for the ones that are way beneath our level/gear.

[Brightamethyst]

I've waited for hours on top of the wood post in North Shroud (great "vista" btw, very realistic and breathtaking) because I wasn't sure when I would be able to successfully jump on top of it again, and that's how long it took for the proper time/weather condition to show up again. It took me nearly a couple hours to get on top of it the first time, which is also how I missed its window the first time.

At least when I finally managed to scale the Kugane tower, that was it; I could get my vista and it was done, no waiting around. (Just don't get me started on the lamppost vista they only added in later to be total jerks...)

If you hate the sightseeing log so much, why do it at all? Things like vistas and big fishing are completely optional. All you miss out on by skipping them is a few achievements, titles, and maybe a minion or two. Why make yourself crazy over it?

[Nezerius]

I'm sorry you don't like a modicum of challenge in your game, I guess it really isn't for all. But there are tools the community has prepared to help you.
For weather,
https://skywatcher.plus/
https://super-aardvark.github.io/weather/

For the Sightseeing Log specifically,
https://tylian.net/sslog/
https://ffxiv.ariyala.com/SightseeingLog

The ARR ones were great and it is currently missed.

To not utilize such options would be like asking someone who's having trouble with big fish to not have https://ff14fish.carbuncleplushy.com/ on hand.
(It's also a segue into getting back on topic.)

On the subject of the Sightseeing Log:
On one hand, I'd agree. Having to put some effort into it, along with rewarding more than just a title, increased my interest in completing the ARR ones. On the other hand, log entries like #009, #039, or #048 were very frustrating to get.

To get back on topic of big fishing:
While it's definitely frustrating to have a big fish getting away a few times (or sometimes way more than a few times), I don't think that should see any change. Fishing has always been more of a side content thing, just for players to do who enjoy it (or who hate themselves, but really want to complete that log anyway!)

However, I do think they should at least increase the minimum possible time window to 3-4 Eorzean hours. These fishing windows that are only 1-2 Eorzean hours long are just cruel, especially if it's combined with a slippery big fish (I'm looking at you, The Assassin).