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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    Compare literally any jobs rotation to Feral Druid in WoW.
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    Arcane mage, Fire mage, elemental shaman, destroy warlock, shadow priest, arm war.

    You press 2-3 buttons for the entire game, gg so much complex rotation and engaging. Complex rotation is super rare in WoW and its mainly done by a mistake by the blizzard who is dumbing down their game to the extreme levels.

    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I was half afk tanking a boss last night, ate every single mechanic and did not use any cds, completely fine. Trash mobs, I actually pulled gigantic, as big as I could, the white mage was wasting cds and we still could pull it off. In general (and I'm talking about regular content) This game starts feeling "difficult" when you have subpar players, and a large proportion of the playerbase are not very good. It's more of fighting against the playerbase than the actual content itself.


    I dont want to be in the skin of your healer.
    You could half afk in any other game making it easy, but that only means you make it harder on everyone around you. Optimising your gameplay to the highest possible levels, increasing speed and decreasing the time spend in the dungeons/raids is what considered hard thing. Base game mechanics is simple for all the game out there, this does not mean anything.
    On a healer i could spam cure I-II for the entire dungeon in FFXIV, but does that mean i am a good healer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Arcane mage, Fire mage, elemental shaman, destroy warlock, shadow priest, arm war.

    You press 2-3 buttons for the entire game, gg so much complex and engaging.
    I don't have a lot of expereince playing WoW and deffo didn't play every class, but from what I played I did feel like many dps specs were easier or at least less complex than most FFXIV jobs.

    From what I remember though the Monk Brewmaster tanking spec was harder than any kind of tanking I did in FFXIV ever (having all tank jobs at least lvl 70), although it might have had to do with inconvenient UI for me, had to look all the way top right all the time to see if my buff was up and didn't bother getting mods to change that. Don't remember well but you had to basically constantly keep a very short buff up that shields you, and without it you'd take damage like paper, at least at lower levels. Thus had to keep level of concentration or else I would quite easily die as tank, you won't find that kind of challenge and stakes in any of FFXIV's tanking jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    I don't have a lot of expereince playing WoW and deffo didn't play every class, but from what I played I did feel like many dps specs were easier or at least less complex than most FFXIV jobs.

    From what I remember though the Monk Brewmaster tanking spec was harder than any kind of tanking I did in FFXIV ever (having all tank jobs at least lvl 70), although it might have had to do with inconvenient AI for me, had to look all the way top right all the time to see if my buff was up and didn't bother getting mods to change that. Don't remember well but you had to basically constantly keep a very short buff up that shields you, and without it you'd take damage like paper, at least at lower levels. Thus had to keep level of concentration or else I would quite easily die as tank, you won't find that kind of challenge and stakes in any of FFXIV's tanking jobs.
    hats why brewmaster was my class of choice in WoW because i found him the most fun, but i cant say it about other tanks in wow which are more braindead than warrior in ffxiv. Imagine warrior, but combine all his combos into 1 button, thats DH vengence for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    God forbid a healer actually has to heal from time to time. My bad. Sorry, I forgot that healers are actually dps in disguise. I am also sorry, but when something in real life calls, and I gotta drop what I am doing, I am not going to tell the man at the door "Sorry, I'm tanking this inconsequential boss give me 5 minutes!".

    Would spamming cure make you a good healer? I don't know, I don't main a healer or anything. Who could say?
    I had an entire team of headless chickens in ESO as a healer, they ran into everything, the dungeon took 1 hour because they were just facerolling the keyboard guess what.
    I was able to keep them at 90%+ HP all the time using 1-2 buttons, does it mean 4 year old kids could play the game and be end game pros?
    I will tell you more, i was able to heal entire party in raid as a lonely healer in veteran rank raid in ESO, and used only 4 buttons because the healing in this game is/was so OP, no one never died or had hp below 50%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    I had an entire team of headless chickens in ESO as a healer, they ran into everything, the dungeon took 1 hour because they were just facerolling the keyboard guess what.
    I was able to keep them at 90%+ HP all the time using 1-2 buttons, does it mean 4 year old kids could play the game and be end game pros?
    I will tell you more, i was able to heal entire party in raid as a lonely healer in veteran rank raid in ESO, and used only 4 buttons because the healing in this game is/was so OP.
    Well, I am sorry that we all aren't as good as you! Even so, a player as bad as me still thinks this game is easy!

    ESO? I didn't know people actually played that game seriously! Only PvP is half decent in that cash sho.. game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Well, I am sorry that we all aren't as good as you! Even so, a player as bad as me still thinks this game is easy!

    ESO? I didn't know people actually played that game seriously! Only PvP is half decent in that cash sho.. game.
    You are ignoring the point i was trying to tell you, and it was not about me being good or anything like that.

    My point is, the game is as hard as your will to push the boundaries of the game as far as possible, all games are easy to play but a lot of them are hard to play them as decent level, league of legends is super easy game and its not at the same time.
    Its not easy to hit purple/orange performance in this game, as its not easy to speedrun supermario games or any other games. For instance BLM is easy to play, slow CPM but its pretty hard to pull out a decent percentile with him in raids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Its not easy to hit purple/orange performance in this game, as its not easy to speedrun supermario games or any other games. For instance BLM is easy to play, slow CPM but its pretty hard to pull out a decent percentile with him in raids.
    So, I fact checked you here, looked at my performance. Apparently, I pull purple pretty regularly. I am not sure if you are making a joke here! It is easy otherwise I couldn't!
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    OF is a meme and it's too grey to be helped. So I'm not going to try anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsien View Post
    It's exceptionally easy to hit purple/orange in this game, especially on casual content because so few players care about their performance. All it takes is a small drive to improve and a willingness to put in the minimum to research this game's fundamentals.
    Everything is easy if you do it for OVER 7 YEARS, lmao.
    Try out other games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsien View Post
    It's exceptionally easy to hit purple/orange in this game, especially on casual content because so few players care about their performance. All it takes is a small drive to improve and a willingness to put in the minimum to research this game's fundamentals.
    Can confirm, I am not that good at the game, even after 7 years, and I have quite a bit of ping, and even I managed to pull an orange deeps in casual content, which I don’t use food or pots for.

    I am kinda depressed that my only orange (I think) is on ingles, of all things, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsien View Post
    It's exceptionally easy to hit purple/orange in this game, especially on casual content because so few players care about their performance. All it takes is a small drive to improve and a willingness to put in the minimum to research this game's fundamentals.
    Lol no its not. Not at the original gear levels it was intended at.

    Go put on your old Weathered Gear from the ending of the Shadowbringers campaign... then run Copied Factory which is how you would have originally played it and see if you can parce Orange. Hell even in Ronkan Gear.
    Pfft good luck with that.

    When I started a new character (this one) on a new server I did just that while working it up from scratch.

    When you play the game at the original gear levels this stuff came out at, its not so easy.
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