Can we please delay Savage?

[Valorak]

Clearly you don't understand what it means to be competitive.

Being competitive generally includes being ready for the competition on time. If that's what matters to you the most, then prioritize it.

[Penthea]

Being competitive generally includes being ready for the competition on time. If that's what matters to you the most, then prioritize it.

And people don't like that they can't delay other things while they do their competitive stuff. That is the problem. You need to do normal mode to unlock savage, which means if you're a competitive raider you are likely skipping cutscenes you would rather watch, and entirely missing out on outside of cutscene dialogue.

Everyone knows you only get to experience the story properly once. Why do you think msq roulette got changed? It sure as hell was not to give more xp. It was so players could experience the story properly without others rushing them, because using The Unending Journey furnishing isn't a replacement for the full content experience.

This situation is forcing people to choose between being competitive and experiencing the story. What is so bad about letting them do both? Savage already gets delayed at the start of the expansion and I don't see anyone losing their minds over it. What's wrong with continuing this trend?

It's as if some of you enjoy that competitive raiders must sacrifice their enjoyment in other parts of the game in order to sustain their activities. Awful.

[Valorak]

And people don't like that they can't delay other things while they do their competitive stuff. That is the problem. You need to do normal mode to unlock savage, which means if you're a competitive raider you are likely skipping cutscenes you would rather watch, and entirely missing out on outside of cutscene dialogue.

Everyone knows you only get to experience the story properly once. Why do you think msq roulette got changed? It sure as hell was not to give more xp. It was so players could experience the story properly without others rushing them, because using The Unending Journey furnishing isn't a replacement for the full content experience.

This situation is forcing people to choose between being competitive and experiencing the story. What is so bad about letting them do both? Savage already gets delayed at the start of the expansion and I don't see anyone losing their minds over it. What's wrong with continuing this trend?

It's as if some of you enjoy that competitive raiders must sacrifice their enjoyment in other parts of the game in order to sustain their activities. Awful.

Personally, I don't care either way. I've already stated that if enough people want it, I don't have a problem with it. While I like to make a whole thing out of the first day of the patch (RL permitting), it doesn't mean so much to me that I'd mind a delay on certain things so that other people can enjoy the story more.

However, these are really first-world problems that people should be mature enough to solve on their own. Instead of doing that though, you guys are basically asking for the release cycle to be tailored entirely to your specific desires. That's fine if you want to make a request for that. I get it. But many people in this thread are also completely discounting the notion that this would have any negative effects on other players and have been totally callous towards their concerns. It's as if you not only want to have it both ways; but you also want to avoid feeling guilty that you messed with someone else's fun.

Frankly, it's ridiculous. This whole thread has been a disaster since like page two.

[Penthea]

However, these are really first-world problems that people should be mature enough to solve on their own.

Everything here is a first world problem. This forum is for a game. Nice try at trying to diminish the issue.

Players are unable to find a solution that allows them to experience the story as it is intended to be without interfering with being a competitive raider. They can only do one or the other. Now please do enlighten me as to how players are supposed to solve this issue without intervention from SE.

But many people in this thread are also completely discounting the notion that this would have any negative effects on other players and have been totally callous towards their concerns.

It's as if you not only want to have it both ways; but you also want to avoid feeling guilty that you messed with someone else's fun.

Yes I'm sure delaying savage is going to cause some trauma especially considering it already gets delayed at expansion launches and no one really seems to mind even if they lvl up and gear up fast enough to do it sooner.

Frankly, it's ridiculous. This whole thread has been a disaster since like page two.

If you want to see ridiculous I suggest you go to that trainwreck thread about hiding other people's glams because some people can't deal with the fact that a frog suit exists and bikini glams ruin their day.

[Awha]

Everything here is a first world problem. This forum is for a game. Nice try at trying to diminish the issue.

Players are unable to find a solution that allows them to experience the story as it is intended to be without interfering with being a competitive raider. They can only do one or the other. Now please do enlighten me as to how players are supposed to solve this issue without intervention from SE.



Yes I'm sure delaying savage is going to cause some trauma especially considering it already gets delayed at expansion launches and no one really seems to mind even if they lvl up and gear up fast enough to do it sooner.



If you want to see ridiculous I suggest you go to that trainwreck thread about hiding other people's glams because some people can't deal with the fact that a frog suit exists and bikini glams ruin their day.

Depending on ones perspective couldn't the same be said about us that are asking for a delay of savage, that we want a delay because we cannot deal with the fact that we have to rush through the story because of various reasons?

[Penthea]

Depending on ones perspective couldn't the same be said about us that are asking for a delay of savage, that we want a delay because we cannot deal with the fact that we have to rush through the story because of various reasons?

This can't really be compared over being upset over the glam someone else is wearing. It's a completely different situation. It has literally nothing to do with being a competitive player needing to sacrifice experiencing the story at a normal pace in order to get into savage just as quickly as other players.

I merely wanted to point that other player to what an actual ridiculous thread can look like. Conversation here is far more constructive by comparison.

[Awha]

This can't really be compared over being upset over the glam someone else is wearing. It's a completely different situation. It has literally nothing to do with being a competitive player needing to sacrifice experiencing the story at a normal pace in order to get into savage just as quickly as other players.

I merely wanted to point that other player to what an actual ridiculous thread can look like. Conversation here is far more constructive by comparison.

That is why I said depends on ones perspective, since at the core the delay is about having to make a sacrifice a certain experience for another one, just as those with the glam feel they have to sacrifice a certain experience for another. At the core they do seem fairly similar, which is a not a bad thing since I am for both since more optoons to allow players to enhance their expereince with the game is a win for me.

[Valorak]

Everything here is a first world problem. This forum is for a game. Nice try at trying to diminish the issue.

Players are unable to find a solution that allows them to experience the story as it is intended to be without interfering with being a competitive raider. They can only do one or the other. Now please do enlighten me as to how players are supposed to solve this issue without intervention from SE.

The same way that anyone decides what they should do with their free time. Choose the one that's most important to you.

I don't have enough free time to do Savage at all. I don't ask for special concessions to make the game more accessible to my schedule though. If Savage was really that important to me then I could try to sacrifice/reorganize free time that I spend on other things.

Regardless, even though I don't think that it's necessary, I've already stated that I don't care if they implement the delay. As long as that's actually what most people want, I'm okay with putting up with any inconvenience that causes to how I like to play on patch days. My problem is more with the attitudes that are prevalent in this topic. Attitudes such as the one shown in your quote below this.

Yes I'm sure delaying savage is going to cause some trauma especially considering it already gets delayed at expansion launches and no one really seems to mind even if they lvl up and gear up fast enough to do it sooner.

Why would anyone care about your problems when you just dismiss their problems without a second thought? A post ago you were accusing me of deriving pleasure from your suffering, but now you can't spare a shred of empathy for the problems that other people have? What's with that?

If you aren't willing to compromise or at least respect the problems of others then I don't think that you deserve compromise or respect in return.

If you want to see ridiculous I suggest you go to that trainwreck thread about hiding other people's glams because some people can't deal with the fact that a frog suit exists and bikini glams ruin their day.

Honestly, I don't see much of a difference between that thread and this one. They're both about someone requesting a concession for their particular play-style. I don't consider this thread to be more legitimate than the other just because competitive raiding is seen as more important by the people that participate in it.

[Penthea]

The same way that anyone decides what they should do with their free time. Choose the one that's most important to you.

I don't have enough free time to do Savage at all. I don't ask for special concessions to make the game more accessible to my schedule though. If Savage was really that important to me then I could try to sacrifice/reorganize free time that I spend on other things..

There is a difference between "I do not have enough free time for savage" and "competitive raiders have to skip cutscenes to stay competitive". The first one is purely a life circumstance, the other is the form of content release being punishing to a certain type of player regardless of their life circumstance. Even if you have patch day off it's still rush rush rush, especially if you are also crafting and gathering for gear.

Why would anyone care about your problems when you just dismiss their problems without a second thought? A post ago you were accusing me of deriving pleasure from your suffering, but now you can't spare a shred of empathy for the problems that other people have? What's with that?

These aren't actually my problems. I'm a casual raider. The proposed content release delay will have little to no effect on me. However in the past I was a hardcore raider in another game so I can very easily empathise with those who feel the current form of content release is stressful and actually negatively impacts storytelling.

OP's desired content release pattern already happens at expansion launch. If SE can do it then, then they can do it for other patches as well. OP isn't asking for something the game hasn't seen before.

I did not personally accuse you of anything. Read it again:

It's as if some of you enjoy that competitive raiders must sacrifice their enjoyment in other parts of the game in order to sustain their activities. Awful.

[Valorak]

There is a difference between "I do not have enough free time for savage" and "competitive raiders have to skip cutscenes to stay competitive". The first one is purely a life circumstance, the other is the form of content release being punishing to a certain type of player regardless of their life circumstance. Even if you have patch day off it's still rush rush rush, especially if you are also crafting and gathering for gear.

That's true, the comparison isn't perfect. That said, it's still just a problem derived from lack of time.

In a perfect world they could have it both ways without negatively affecting others, but that's unfortunately not the case here. That's why I'd be happy with whatever side is the true majority (if the devs decided to measure and adhere to that).

These aren't actually my problems. I'm a casual raider. The proposed content release delay will have little to no affect on me. However in the past I was a hardcore raider in another game so I can very easily empathise with those who feel the current form of content release is stressful and actually negatively impacts storytelling.

OP's desired content release pattern already happens at expansion launch. If SE can do it then, then they can do it for other patches as well. OP isn't asking for something the game hasn't seen before.

The fact that the delay happens at the start of the expansion doesn't really negate the fact that this delay would cause problems for people during the ensuing patches.

I did not personally accuse you of anything. Read it again:

Oh I don't really care if you were accusing me personally or if it was just towards people in general. My point was that you (and too many other people in here) are making those types of accusations and asking for understanding or empathy, but then you turn around and wave away the notion that any problems with the delay are legitimate.

I'm not sure if it's a self-awareness blind spot or if people are just being actively selfish. Either way, I think it's hypocritical to request empathy when there isn't any being given in return.