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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    It arbitrarily delays the release of content that's already ready to be released, forcing everyone who was ready/willing to run it now to have to wait longer.

    There's your reason.
    Man waiting an additional week after a six month cycle between Savage tiers. However would you cope?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    Man waiting an additional week after a six month cycle between Savage tiers. However would you cope?
    Well if it's not a big deal for them to lose a week, then why is self-delaying for a few days such a big deal that people can't just talk to their statics to figure something out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valorak View Post
    Well if it's not a big deal for them to lose a week, then why is self-delaying for a few days such a big deal that people can't just talk to their statics to figure something out?
    Clearly you don't understand what it means to be competitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    Clearly you don't understand what it means to be competitive.
    Being competitive generally includes being ready for the competition on time. If that's what matters to you the most, then prioritize it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valorak View Post
    Being competitive generally includes being ready for the competition on time. If that's what matters to you the most, then prioritize it.
    And people don't like that they can't delay other things while they do their competitive stuff. That is the problem. You need to do normal mode to unlock savage, which means if you're a competitive raider you are likely skipping cutscenes you would rather watch, and entirely missing out on outside of cutscene dialogue.

    Everyone knows you only get to experience the story properly once. Why do you think msq roulette got changed? It sure as hell was not to give more xp. It was so players could experience the story properly without others rushing them, because using The Unending Journey furnishing isn't a replacement for the full content experience.

    This situation is forcing people to choose between being competitive and experiencing the story. What is so bad about letting them do both? Savage already gets delayed at the start of the expansion and I don't see anyone losing their minds over it. What's wrong with continuing this trend?

    It's as if some of you enjoy that competitive raiders must sacrifice their enjoyment in other parts of the game in order to sustain their activities. Awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    And people don't like that they can't delay other things while they do their competitive stuff. That is the problem. You need to do normal mode to unlock savage, which means if you're a competitive raider you are likely skipping cutscenes you would rather watch, and entirely missing out on outside of cutscene dialogue.

    Everyone knows you only get to experience the story properly once. Why do you think msq roulette got changed? It sure as hell was not to give more xp. It was so players could experience the story properly without others rushing them, because using The Unending Journey furnishing isn't a replacement for the full content experience.

    This situation is forcing people to choose between being competitive and experiencing the story. What is so bad about letting them do both? Savage already gets delayed at the start of the expansion and I don't see anyone losing their minds over it. What's wrong with continuing this trend?

    It's as if some of you enjoy that competitive raiders must sacrifice their enjoyment in other parts of the game in order to sustain their activities. Awful.
    Personally, I don't care either way. I've already stated that if enough people want it, I don't have a problem with it. While I like to make a whole thing out of the first day of the patch (RL permitting), it doesn't mean so much to me that I'd mind a delay on certain things so that other people can enjoy the story more.

    However, these are really first-world problems that people should be mature enough to solve on their own. Instead of doing that though, you guys are basically asking for the release cycle to be tailored entirely to your specific desires. That's fine if you want to make a request for that. I get it. But many people in this thread are also completely discounting the notion that this would have any negative effects on other players and have been totally callous towards their concerns. It's as if you not only want to have it both ways; but you also want to avoid feeling guilty that you messed with someone else's fun.

    Frankly, it's ridiculous. This whole thread has been a disaster since like page two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valorak View Post
    However, these are really first-world problems that people should be mature enough to solve on their own.
    Everything here is a first world problem. This forum is for a game. Nice try at trying to diminish the issue.

    Players are unable to find a solution that allows them to experience the story as it is intended to be without interfering with being a competitive raider. They can only do one or the other. Now please do enlighten me as to how players are supposed to solve this issue without intervention from SE.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valorak View Post
    But many people in this thread are also completely discounting the notion that this would have any negative effects on other players and have been totally callous towards their concerns.

    It's as if you not only want to have it both ways; but you also want to avoid feeling guilty that you messed with someone else's fun.
    Yes I'm sure delaying savage is going to cause some trauma especially considering it already gets delayed at expansion launches and no one really seems to mind even if they lvl up and gear up fast enough to do it sooner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valorak View Post
    Frankly, it's ridiculous. This whole thread has been a disaster since like page two.
    If you want to see ridiculous I suggest you go to that trainwreck thread about hiding other people's glams because some people can't deal with the fact that a frog suit exists and bikini glams ruin their day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    It's as if some of you enjoy that competitive raiders must sacrifice their enjoyment in other parts of the game in order to sustain their activities. Awful.
    You make a choice by alarm-clocking savage, skip NM cutscenes or be cut. Savage tier lasts six months. The majority do not world race savage. The <1% shouldn't dictate this decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    You make a choice by alarm-clocking savage, skip NM cutscenes or be cut. Savage tier lasts six months. The majority do not world race savage. The <1% shouldn't dictate this decision.
    What is your opinion on the savage delay at expansion launches then? Do you consider this to be a problem if you are against having this throughout all patches?
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