One shot mechanics in Normal Raids

[Stanelis]

But that's how it already works. I did E7 a couple of hours ago, and while the group wiped three times, each time I gave instructions on what to do with that mechanic and each time people did better. Eventually we succeeded. It's just that every once in a while there's a group with a sufficient concentration of badness that the duty cannot be completed. In such cases it's best to just abandon and try again with a new group. It's impossible to design content so that any group, no matter how inept, can pass it, while simultaneously maintaining even a modicum of interest.

That s basically my point here, the solution to the problem shouldn't bbe to give up on the group and try again while hoping the people who can't adjust are "weeded out". Because it is how it is in E7, people who aren't fast enough to pick on thing will never get it.

Also, yes, they can design content where anyone can fit if there are different roles in the group (eg not making everyone handle the same mechanic at the same time, as it is the case in E7). When everything was about wow raiding in 2006-2008, endgame raids where specifically designed so the players had complete control on who did handle specific mechanics during the encounter (or at least that not everybody had to deal with X mechanic at the same moment). People who were learning could observe somebody who knew the mechanic so they could learn how it was done and people could actually coach players on how to handle a specific mechanic. Kael Thas in tempest keep comes to mind with this specific design, where a lot of players had to deal with specific (different) stuff.

Furthermore, my point isn't that all the content should be doable at any skill level, but that raids in story mode specifically designed for people with low skill level definitely should.

[linay]

raids in story mode specifically designed for people with low skill level definitely should.

Who said it's designed for people with low skill level? Lower skill level than what is needed for Savage, certainly, but optional content at max level is not necessarily for low skill level.

It's that kind of attitude that makes LFR in WoW harder than it needs to be when people underestimate its difficulty and ignore mechanics, causing wipes and then people just leave to be carried by the next party instead of learning the fight.

[Tsukino]

This is not a one-shot mechanic. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this thread.

A one-shot mechanic will kill you (everyone) in one hit. Not only have I never seen everyone die to this at once, I also got smacked with one of the effects (as a DD not a tank) but not both and easily got healed up by other people and didn't die. That is, at the very least, a mechanic that requires two "shots" to do you in.

One-shot mechanics in other fights are like failing Landslides on Titan - you mess up the mechanic and you fall off the arena, knocking you out in one hit, one failure on your part.

[Gemina]

This is not a one-shot mechanic. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this thread.

A one-shot mechanic will kill you (everyone) in one hit. Not only have I never seen everyone die to this at once, I also got smacked with one of the effects (as a DD not a tank) but not both and easily got healed up by other people and didn't die. That is, at the very least, a mechanic that requires two "shots" to do you in.

One-shot mechanics in other fights are like failing Landslides on Titan - you mess up the mechanic and you fall off the arena, knocking you out in one hit, one failure on your part.

One shots only need to kill one player. A mechanic that wipes everyone is a reset. Either way, that mechanic will indeed one shot someone at the minimum ilv requirement, and it most certainly will if you have a vuln down debuff. It also causes knockback, and can toss you over the ledge. One shot.

[Tsukino]

One shots only need to kill one player. A mechanic that wipes everyone is a reset. Either way, that mechanic will indeed one shot someone at the minimum ilv requirement, and it most certainly will if you have a vuln down debuff. It also causes knockback, and can toss you over the ledge. One shot.

I probably should have been more clear with "everyone," maybe I meant "anyone?" I meant that even if you are a tank such a mechanic will still kill you, not that it has to wipe everyone at once.


I'm still pretty sure I've not been killed in one hit by this attack though. I have only been hit with a bunch of damage and received a Vulnerability Up stack, just as the OP is asking that it do instead.

[MomomiMomi]

I probably should have been more clear with "everyone," maybe I meant "anyone?" I meant that even if you are a tank such a mechanic will still kill you, not that it has to wipe everyone at once.


I'm still pretty sure I've not been killed in one hit by this attack though. I have only been hit with a bunch of damage and received a Vulnerability Up stack, just as the OP is asking that it do instead.

It was killing our tanks in one hit so I'm not sure how you were surviving it.


As for the thread... more challenge outside of savage/extreme is welcome by me. There isn't enough content that is between the difficulty of 24-man raids and Extremes.

[Tsukino]

It was killing our tanks in one hit so I'm not sure how you were surviving it.

Hmm...so maybe I am taking crazy pills. I was sure I got hit by one of the opposite polarity, the debuff switched like it's supposed to, and then I took a hit from the same polarity, resulting in very low HP and one stack of Vulnerability Up.

If it kills tanks in one hit, rather than in two, then either something else was going on or I just can't remember it right.