It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Sebazy]

I don't think anything's as trite as being this concerned and invested in preventing others from having a toggle that you would never know about or be affected by. I honestly find it baffling that what shows on someone else's screen is that important to people, but clearly it is.

You're completely missing my point.

I don't care what someone else sees on their screen. That has no bearing on me whatsoever. If this was a single player game, I wouldn't care about this topic, nor would I have ever posted in this thread.

However, this is an MMO. It's a Genre built upon social interactions and all that entails. Strip that away and you're left with an honestly pretty crummy action RPG with a slow burner of a storyline and amazing music

I am against an option that both dehumanises other players without a very good reason and dilutes the very core of what an MMO is.

(Abusive behaviour is a good reason, A Roe in a dress is not a good reason, sorry)

Can I be any clearer on that? Regardless of if it's your cup of tea or not, strip away the uniqueness of other players around you and you might as well be running around in a server full of NPCs. That's not an experience I relish TYVM.

[AriaFairchild]

You're completely missing my point.

I don't care what someone else sees on their screen. That has no bearing on me whatsoever. If this was a single player game, I wouldn't care about this topic, nor would I have ever posted in this thread.

However, this is an MMO. It's a Genre built upon social interactions and all that entails. Strip that away and you're left with an honestly pretty crummy action RPG with a slow burner of a storyline and amazing music

I am against an option that both dehumanises other players without a very good reason and dilutes the very core of what an MMO is.

(Abusive behaviour is a good reason, A Roe in a dress is not a good reason, sorry)

Can I be any clearer on that? Regardless of if it's your cup of tea or not, strip away the uniqueness of other players around you and you might as well be running around in a server full of NPCs. That's not an experience I relish TYVM.

Bro, did I get you right...did you just equate your humanity to how your character look...on someone else's screen no less?

[Penthea]

Bro, did I get you right...did you just equate your humanity to how your character look...on someone else's screen no less?

In this context dehumanise means to make player characters more like npcs.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

Is anything more dehumanizing than being told that your choice doesn't matter because someone else has decided they should make it for you?

You're ignoring that the human behind the other screen has, for whatever reason, decided they don't want to see your glams. It doesn't matter if their reasoning is petty or dumb, it's still a human making a choice, and people deciding they shouldn't be allowed to make their own choices.

[Sebazy]

Bro, did I get you right...did you just equate your humanity to how your character look...on someone else's screen no less?

I don't care what someone else sees on their screen. That has no bearing on me whatsoever.

I don't care what someone else sees on their screen. That has no bearing on me whatsoever.

I don't care what someone else sees on their screen. That has no bearing on me whatsoever.

Seriously though.

This game's community has a bit of an issue with how players treat their peers and fellows. All too many players seem to forget that there's a real person behind the character when they interact with others. I'm sure most people can agree with this? Features like this only help to make the problem worse, thus my dehumanisation comment.

Is that a better explanation?

Men in wedding dresses. Super cereal business lol... how is this topic still alive? Mods please. This is obvious bait thread.

It's incredible isn't it, Titanmen would be proud <3

[ElazulHP]

Men in wedding dresses. Super cereal business lol... how is this topic still alive? Mods please. This is obvious bait thread.

[Iscah]

Funny, we all block out people's self-expression all the time if we go by the logic of people in this post. Every time you don't look at someone's piece of art. Every time you don't watch a program on the TV. Every time you block someone on here. Every time you unsub from an MMO. Every time you don't buy a game.

I also love how you say to 'deal with it' when you unable to deal with a benign option being put in that would only benefit those who would use it and not hurt you in any way.

Every time you have ever blocked someone on any social media anywhere, you are displaying your intolerance by your own logic.

You have it backwards.

Blocking someone entirely or not looking at their art does not change what you would see if you looked at it. Everyone who does see it, sees it as the creator intended.

Expecting their post to be heavily altered so it is "appropriate" for you to read is a very different thing. It's no longer their work, and the act of altering it might put things in a form the author would never want to use, but it would still be identified as their work. It misrepresents them.

As I said, I would be fine with my character being hidden/blocked entirely over being altered but still presented as 'mine'.

So you won't acknowledge that there are some people who dress in certain choices of attire and behave in certain ways with the specific purpose of harassment and riling up others? If that is okay and something we have to 'deal with', why can't the same be said about the /blist option in general?

Yes, I will acknowledge that some people must be like that.

I have never encountered them in the game myself.

[AriaFairchild]

Seriously though.

This game's community has a bit of an issue with how players treat their peers and fellows. All too many players seem to forget that there's a real person behind the character when they interact with others. I'm sure most people can agree with this? Features like this only help to make the problem worse, thus my dehumanisation comment.

Is that a better explanation?



It's incredible isn't it, Titanmen would be proud <3

If it has no bearing on you, then what kind of mental gymnastics did you do to link "turning off glamours client-side" to "exacerbating players dehumanizing one another"?

[Krotoan]

This is all a mess. Seriously, calm down. All of you need to take a step back for a moment.

Look guys, regardless of the reasons for people to want to use such a feature, the core of it is simple. They think it's a good idea to turn off Glamour on other players.

In my opinion it's a silly and completely necessary feature.

Because none of the arguments anyone has made here actually have merit. It's all selfish grandstanding by everyone here. If you turn off glamours you'll still get a ton of people just running around in battle thongs and combat tutus. Not to mention people still run around gear-less and naked in Limsa like usual. In regards to the dungeon argument... If you care so much about how "immersive" your dungeon experience is, run it as a light party with friends! I thought we as a community agreed to not force our play-style preferences onto others.

The real argument should be had whether or not the player who chooses to turn off glamours should ALSO not be allowed to see the glamours on themselves.

I think if you can't see other players glamours, you shouldn't be allowed to see your own.

Nobody is turning off glamours for anyone but themselves, don't confuse players with avatars. They aren't affecting peoples choices in any perceivable way.

seems like you've only skimmed a bit. Solutions to the "battle thongs and combat tutu's" and "gear-less" problem have been proposed and while "finding a party of friends" is a solution it limits choices and times of play and would be "forcing playstyle preferences on others".


Your "real argument" makes no sense either, why would an option meant to increase customization of a players experience limit that players experience as well?



I think your particular "rule" proposed sounds petty and comes from only a place of vitriol.




the last.. geebus... 10 pages I just read that got posted while I was asleep are the same "but you shouldn't have any say over how I look" argument while not acknowledging that I should have every say over how I experience a video game on my own computer as long as it doesn't affect anyone else. With a new argument over what "harassment" is. I'm not being harassed by outfits, I just would rather not see them. They don't whip me into an angry froth and they don't offend me, I just would rather NOT experience them. I shouldn't HAVE to tolerate them because tolerance is about not directly restricting others choices, choices that would be left alone and not perceptibly modified.


It's not saying anyone can't wear anything, it's advocating for a fantasy adventure RPG game to have options in which a personal story and feel can be maintained at a reasonable level.



We have muting and blocking. Blacklists are a thing. If I want to be in a certain part of town and it's populated with things I'd rather not see I don't always have the option to visit a different instance of it (which would be acceptable since I'd still have access to the area I want to "play" in but is highly unfeasible since multiple instances = server loads) and most instances have at least some glamours or visuals I don't particularly want see or deal with. This isn't harassment just like people talking in "say" near me isn't harassment, however I have an option to block out the people gabbing in Say, I have no option for filtering out someone in a jarring outfit. If someone follows me around in that outfit but doesn't actually spam emotes or anything traceable I cannot report them, yet they can affect my experience negatively by making me use camera angles and repositioning myself so that I can "just not look".


The opposition to this feature keeps trying to drag it into a space of intolerance and bigotry when it's just about quality of player experience.

I shouldn't have to "Deal" with humanity's esotericism when I'm playing a game to relax, and telling me that this might not be the right game is restricting MY choices directly. I love nearly ALL of the game/art/characters. However as with all things there are aspects that are not to my personal tastes and the ability to modify those without changing the experiences of others in any meaningful way would be nice.

[Sairys]

The opposition to this feature keeps trying to drag it into a space of intolerance and bigotry when it's just about quality of player experience.

The OP and others have made it clear their support of this feature is because they find things such as men in dresses objectionable and want dev time spent on this because of that.

Some arguing for might actually not agree with that but it is part of the arguments being presented in favour of the change and even the appearance that it could be supporting intolerance is something SE would need to consider.