Thank you Yoshi for your stance on DPS meters

[Hash_Browns]

I know its part of a dog chasing its own tail by me contributing, but the exasperating part is explaining that the fact people were willing to get pretty petty over someone's comment in this thread (multiple instances) only cements what is seen culturally bad in JP. You see someone say "I dare you to say something about my DPS" here come people taking up the flame bait instead of leaving well enough alone.

Yes we know people are sensitive, yes we know it's a tool to improve. But instead of wasting time arguing with someone with how wrong they are: the best way of showing how parsing could be used beneficially WITHOUT the callout was stories on how you have helped me people improve.

But I know I'm grasping at straws, instead I'm sure this will reach more pages with the same arguments from years before, singling out players that have a difference of opinion and instead of earnestly reaching out to those in the negative in wanting to genuinely help them improve or in a better sense extend the olive branch. Nah, we'll just get more people affirming how there's too many sensitive scrubs out in the game and let's make passive aggressive remarks how they looked him/her up on a site and they should feel bad. :P

But hey, if there are people wanting to improve and you reach out to me I'll be happy to point you in the right direction and if you want to take it slow that's great, I can try to set aside some time if you are on the same server. If you don't then that's fine, I'm not gonna go out of my way to make you feel bad and the door is always open. I can't convince people to act differently to show there are ways to make it a more positive experience...because it takes a lot of effort to set aside things culturally but if it inspires some to change their approach about this debate so we can show more responsibility in regarding others so that the tool could be put in the game, in the end that's worth it.

I didn't latch on to them because they have a negative opinion about parsing. I don't care what people think about parsing. If people wan't to have a negative opinion about parsing, that's alright. I can get behind being a purest in this situation, even if I don't agree with it. It was about coming into a thread, and immediately starting with a bad attitude, threats, and claiming your God's gift to DPS players. What I gave them was a dose of reality.

"I dare you to say something about my DPS" is the biggest damn invite to be slapped back down into reality.

[Adventica6]

Not knowing that you suck is worse than knowing that you suck.

[Thamorian]

Its called empathy.


Just because YOU don't see it, its ok? because that's what I'm getting out of what you're saying. One of the worst things to say. I can say a lot regarding that but I'll leave it be as there is no place for it.
Also you thinking interactions in game are only natural and polite is laughable. You're coming off as very ignorant and reporting isn't always the answer to everything.

Ok, and what do you expect to be done about twitch streamer audience regardless if there is a DPS meter or not? And how many toxic twitch streamers are there for FF14 with a decent size audience? Very few if any. If they are making nasty remarks and it stays contained on twitch and doesn't bleed into the game, and you never hear about it, is it affecting you? Kinda hard to get mad about something if you're not even aware you are being talked about.

And please, point out where I said interactions in game are only neutral or polite, implying negative interactions never happen. Come on, I'm waiting... Please point out where I used the word "only". Oh, you can't, because I didn't. You just put words into my mouth. I said "By far the vast majority of interactions in game are either neutral or polite." And yes, most interactions by far are neutral, and there are a lot more polite interactions than negative. How many dungeons are run daily where the only words spoken are Hello and Tyfp? Seems like a pretty neutral interaction there. Oh wait, that's toxic because they mostly ignored each other and refused to talk to each other. Got a new healer or tank that lets you know they are new? Most people says OK and slows down. Ah crap, never mind, that's toxic too. Party must think new player is a slow dolt who is terrible and they have to handle with the kids gloves. Extreme trial/Savage raid not going well and people leave or party disbands? most of the time people don't say anything and just leave a party that isn't clearing. That's a neutral interaction. Sure you get that one person who complains about how bad the party is, but that's not that common, as again, most people leave the party. Ah dag nabbit! I did it again. People leaving a failing EX/Savage party are obviously the most TOXIC of them all. How dare they not stick around to carry the low performers! THE AUDACITY.

You act like there is rampant toxicity in this game. Reality check: It isn't. And I only say report them because people in these threads demand SE take action. What do you suppose they should do? Call the local police and tell them how toxic the toxic person is being? Personally, I rarely report, even when I do run into someone really rude. Data centers are large. Chances I'll see someone again is extremely small, so small it's practically a zero percent chance I'll see them again. If anything, I blacklist and move on with my day. But if you are experiencing a lot toxicity in this game, a lot more than other people, well there's only one common denominator for those situations, and it's YOU. Maybe you need to ask yourself, why am I experiencing a lot of toxicity, and think long and hard about it. You want to call me ignorant? Please. don't make me laugh. You are the one coming off as extremely ignorant.

And yes, this post is sarcastically facetious, because I figure you would need help getting that.

[AmeliaVerves]

People leaving a failing EX/Savage party are obviously the most TOXIC of them all. How dare they not stick around to carry the low performers! THE AUDACITY.

Never understood why leaving a party or asking for a specific ilvl/some min logs in PF is considered toxic? If you don't meet the requirements or disagree with the party leaders opinion don't join and form your own party?
Asking for ppl to be on the same page/skill level as you is not toxic, imo.

Idk, a lot of ppl seem to get mad about this kind of stuff, while they should really just shrug it off and move on.

[Seraphor]

Pretty sure this isn't news, they've just reiterated their existing stance on parsers.

[AbelArchaniEA]

You're right. They do lead to toxicity, and I am thrilled that you and the team are adamant about keeping a meter out of the game. Thank you for your stalwart position on this matter.

Players will continue to parse and posts parse meters on streams. They will not get banned. There was nothing stalwart about it.

[AmeliaVerves]

Both of you are derailing this thread with your personal war and are not adding anything helpful to the topic at hand. Just sayin bruh. :v

[xxvaynxx]

Both of you are derailing this thread with your personal war and are not adding anything helpful to the topic at hand. Just sayin bruh. :v

The Gm's are gonna delete it when they're awake. Don't worry.

[Canada_bangs]

I should look up my logs, though I might cry since I'm not at 80 and I know I clearly suck. Welp down the rabbit hole I go. ( Will post updates when needed. Also, come take a walk with me, to PARADISE. Richard Elliot song Crush. Best jazz )

[Amtyk]

Really I just want Square to give me more feedback if I'm playing well enough to do content, even if it's biased by what they as a team interrupt how the game should be played, and is in the game by default. I want to know if I'm good enough for Savage from their intended designs.

I have had the thought of having something like a training dummy that records your job, iLevel, and rotation and compares it to what that role is designed to put out for the current tier. If you meet that requirement you get a green check mark or something. No upfront numbers, just a binary yes or no is all I want. Ideally it could be another optional party finder filter too, but I understand that could turn into a toxic thing itself though.

Either the fundamental mentality behind how high end content is inherently designed needs to be changed to be accessible and less about DPS interactions, or we need more internal feedback on our own individual performance in relation to intended game design. Without doing something I feel Square is directly contributing to toxic growth within the community.

People value DPS because it's the primary game play interaction and barrier. It becomes the focal point because getting a clear throughout the rest of the game, from dungeons to MSQ, is the only real binary feedback you get that you performed well enough. I really feel like more in-game feedback could help a lot. People end up going to outside resource because the game isn't teaching well enough on its own.

I'm really tired of seeing the quiet, passive-aggressive toxicity that parties can have. Things like parties being disbanded and reformed without the silently decided person "holding everyone back" feels counter to the spirit of the game. It doesn't really help keep that healthy, helpful communication I've known in my time of playing.