Thank you Yoshi for your stance on DPS meters

[LaylaTsarra]

But the truth of the matter is PC players took it upon themselves to use parsers and determine what threshold means you’re a good player or not. The game itself isn’t designed to factor that in. If you know mechanics, aren’t wiping and clearing the content, the game rewards you for that. No by analyzing parsing numbers. Also, most players truly don’t give AF.

I play for the story and gathering and crafting. I judge my abilities based on not dying, knowing mechanics and clearing whatever it is I’m doing. Just because someone isn’t doing the numbers an outside program seems decent means nothing in the end because FF14 doesn’t account for it. So parsing PC players can scream until they’re blue in the face.

Thats what they do here on the this forum. They find it hard to understand that people play for the reasons you outlined. I know I do and I'm on PC and not the least interested in downloading a parser. The development team and director have made it very clear they don't want one for FFXIV and I'm happy they spelled it out.

[AmeliaVerves]

Thats what they do here on the this forum. They find it hard to understand that people play for the reasons you outlined.

The thing is that people talk about different stuff and are not always making clear what they mean.

For the story and dungeons, noone cares how much dps you do. Literally noone. And whoever does has some bigger issues so you want to stay away from these people anyways.
But most of the players that want a parser want it for Ex primals, savage and ultimate content. Content that has enrage timers and require the party to meet a minimum amount of skill. For primals you arguably don't need it bc the enrage is easy to meet and you can carry 'weaker' players, but obviously it's comfier to have everyone perform with a decent amount of skill/dps.
Especially in savage and ultimate you want to hold everyone in the group accountable for their performance and not carry some 'dead weight' through hard content.

[Senn]

Especially in savage and ultimate you want to hold everyone in the group accountable for their performance and not carry some 'dead weight' through hard content.

This mentality is probably why DPS meters won't be added into the game. DPS meters should be implemented for your own self-improvement. Not as a tool to hold other people accountable.

If you're holding someone "accountable", that basically means you're calling them out for their low DPS. Yeah sure, on paper, people would be eager to learn from their mistakes and follow advice if someone points out their low parse. In reality, people get into fights about it most of the time. This is probably what Yoshi P wants to avoid.

You're not allowed to comment on another player's parse. That's why it won't be added. It's frustrating, because all I want is a personal DPS meter. I don't care about seeing other people's DPS, just mine.

[Wegente]

This mentality is probably why DPS meters won't be added into the game. DPS meters should be implemented for your own self-improvement. Not as a tool to hold other people accountable.

If you're holding someone "accountable", that basically means you're calling them out for their low DPS. Yeah sure, on paper, people would be eager to learn from their mistakes and follow advice if someone points out their low parse. In reality, people get into fights about it most of the time. This is probably what Yoshi P wants to avoid.

You're not allowed to comment on another player's parse. That's why it won't be added. It's frustrating, because all I want is a personal DPS meter. I don't care about seeing other people's DPS, just mine.

Savage and Ultimate raids have tight DPS checks that require everyone in the group to be playing their class at a decent level.

Joining a random PF group and wiping countless times to enrage, without being able to know whose fault it is, is really frustrating.
Maybe it's the whole group who is underperforming, or maybe it's just the Bard who is doing nothing but spamming Heavy Shot. But you need to be able to tell, in order to eventually replace the bad apples and clear the fight. Without a damage meter, at least in those two types of content, it's currently impossible to do so.

[Senn]

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Like I said, a DPS meter shouldn't be used as a tool to hold other players who aren't you accountable. Nor should it be used as a tool to see which party members you need to replace. Stuff like this causes drama. That's the reason why Yoshi P won't allow a DPS meter. I know it's frustrating having a member of your party under-performing, but that's something we have to deal with, like we have always been doing.

It should be used for self-improvement - something that should be kept only to yourself.

[ReiMakoto]

Like I said, a DPS meter shouldn't be used as a tool to hold other players who aren't you accountable. Nor should it be used as a tool to see which party members you need to replace. Stuff like this causes drama. That's the reason why Yoshi P won't allow a DPS meter. I know it's frustrating having a member of your party under-performing, but that's something we have to deal with, like we have always been doing.

It should be used for self-improvement - something that should be kept only to yourself.

But what if someone is selfish and doesn't want to improve, but still signs up for ex and savage content, they will be holding the team back and maybe preventing clears, and not being able to see that and adjust makes the experience not fun for everyone.

[DynnDiablos]

But what if someone is selfish and doesn't want to improve, but still signs up for ex and savage content, they will be holding the team back and maybe preventing clears, and not being able to see that and adjust makes the experience not fun for everyone.

You can't call someone not wanting to analyze DPS numbers selfish, if that is not their focus for the game. Many just want to clear a fight once for the clear, and the game itself offers the opportunity to do that by learning your job, understanding the mechanics of the fight. It is not your place to analyze a player and give them unwanted advice.

[Senn]

But what if someone is selfish and doesn't want to improve, but still signs up for ex and savage content, they will be holding the team back and maybe preventing clears, and not being able to see that and adjust makes the experience not fun for everyone.

I feel like people tend to be able to tell who's under-performing even without a DPS meter tbh. But if you can't tell, just join a different party? I've had a few bad runs with people, and while it's annoying, I just look for a different party to join and it works out fine.

I just want to make it clear I don't personally dislike parsers. It's just that Yoshi P doesn't want them for some of the reasons I've already stated. Why do you think SSS is implemented the way it is? It's in a random zone where you attack a dummy by yourself. It's such an isolated and round about way to track your DPS, and the reason for that is to prevent drama that would ensue if DPS meters were a thing.

The problem for me is SSS just isn't enough. It doesn't allow you to test your DPS under mechanic heavy situations.

If we switched our mentality from "I want to hold people accountable for their dps" or "I want to use a dps meter to find out who I need to replace in a party" to instead "I want to use a dps meter to improve myself", then maybe Yoshi P might reconsider at least giving us a personal DPS meter.

[SaberMaxwell]

Like I said, a DPS meter shouldn't be used as a tool to hold other players who aren't you accountable. Nor should it be used as a tool to see which party members you need to replace. Stuff like this causes drama. That's the reason why Yoshi P won't allow a DPS meter. I know it's frustrating having a member of your party under-performing, but that's something we have to deal with, like we have always been doing.

It should be used for self-improvement - something that should be kept only to yourself.

That's where we'll have to agree to disagree: when you join, say, a Savage farm party, you're signing up for an activity that others will have expectations of you in. If one joins content like Savage or Ultimate (dear Lord, especially Ultimate), I'm sorry but they should be held accountable for their duty in the group just like everybody else. Tanks need to mitigate and position the boss, healers need to maintain a good healing and damage throughput, and DPS need to be cycling their rotations to the best of their ability. That Square refuses to offer a first-party solution just means people will go on using the third-party solution that Square cannot control, nothing changes.

[Kenky]

Especially in savage and ultimate you want to hold everyone in the group accountable for their performance and not carry some 'dead weight' through hard content.

There in lies the issue.

Sure, it's fine to see who is the "weaker link" in the party, but plenty of people use this knowledge to harass and attack other players for being sub-par. They don't offer help, they don't offer tips or tricks to raise their DPS. They just yell at how much they suck. That isn't holding you accountable for being bad. That's intentionally being violent for no justifiable reason.

Plenty of people play FFXIV to have fun. Not to get beaten into submission from people who take virtual numbers on a screen to a fanatical degree. While I would prefer to know who is the weaker member of the team, I personally am not using, nor will I ever use such programs because of one small reason.

What gives me the right to tell other people how to play? In what world has my input been taken as gospel? If you're using the program for self-help or constructive assistance, then awesome.

But if you use it to attack people? You're the bad guy. No ifs ands or buts.