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  1. #91
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    I can't help but notice that the people who ask for more player choice in the story are usually the ones who want to side with the villains, no matter how obviously violent, deranged, insane, and/or genocidal they are. It's kind of concerning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    I can't help but notice that the people who ask for more player choice in the story are usually the ones who want to side with the villains, no matter how obviously violent, deranged, insane, and/or genocidal they are. It's kind of concerning.
    not really if you were in Emets shoes you would do the exact same thing he was doing ... everyone would and well honestly if you had any of those characters experience you would do the same thing .. nothing concerning about it just the way things work
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    Oh my god. I was being intentionally hyperbolic with my "delusional" post but you went ahead and proved it was spot on. Well done, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KalinOrthos View Post
    Oh my god. I was being intentionally hyperbolic with my "delusional" post but you went ahead and proved it was spot on. Well done, I guess.
    ... know what I give up people can't handle anything with depth anyways because they lack any real fabric of understanding so I just give up... done trying to explain how everything can be seen has one way or another depending on a person/characters back ground
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru View Post
    not really if you were in Emets shoes you would do the exact same thing he was doing ... everyone would and well honestly if you had any of those characters experience you would do the same thing .. nothing concerning about it just the way things work
    I would never choose genocide. If my people had been destroyed, I would have mourned their loss, erected a memorial and moved on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    I would never choose genocide. If my people had been destroyed, I would have mourned their loss, erected a memorial and moved on.
    really you would pretend like nothing happan while the people who forgot everything praises the one that destroyed your people like she is the hero doing nothing to change anything that is a type of betrayerl you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru View Post
    really you would pretend like nothing happan while the people who forgot everything praises the one that destroyed your people like she is the hero doing nothing to change anything that is a type of betrayerl you know.
    Would you betray the memories of those who died by killing millions sacrificing them to a "God" to maybe bring back some facet of them, which may or may not actually succeed and may only make things worse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Would you betray the memories of those who died by killing millions sacrificing them to a "God" to maybe bring back some facet of them, which may or may not actually succeed and may only make things worse?
    Not only that, but those people willingly sacrificed themselves to renew the world.

    Now the Ascians want to take the life energy of that world and use it to revive those willing sacrifices.

    Unless there are details we don't yet understand, it seems to be essentially undoing that choice they made, rather than honouring it.
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    Last edited by Iscah; 02-11-2020 at 01:30 AM. Reason: Typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    I can't help but notice that the people who ask for more player choice in the story are usually the ones who want to side with the villains, no matter how obviously violent, deranged, insane, and/or genocidal they are. It's kind of concerning.
    They are only villains because we see things from a very distinct perspective. But the Eorzean city states and the WoL could also be considered villains by looking at it from yet another perspective. We lie, cheat, kill, steal all the time, but we are portrayed as heroic for it because what we do is for the "greater good", but who is to say that looking at the situation from the Garlean pov or the ascian pov or the beast tribe pov or the name-any-other-faction pov, that the story we experience would be completely different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Would you betray the memories of those who died by killing millions sacrificing them to a "God" to maybe bring back some facet of them, which may or may not actually succeed and may only make things worse?
    They did not kill, they were beings willing to give their energies to a force of renewal so that the whole may survive. I think you are confusing the ascians who gave themselves to zodiarc with slaves and prisoners viciously slaughtered in some vain attempt at appeasing a god. Emet clearly states that what they did could not be understood by man because man does not have enough empathy for his fellows and for his planet as their ascian ancestors did. Nor the willingness the see beyond their own fragile ego. And the way the events are portrayed on the forums, he was exactly right.
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    Last edited by AnimaAnimus; 02-11-2020 at 01:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    They are only villains because we see things from a very distinct perspective. But the Eorzean city states and the WoL could also be considered villains by looking at it from yet another perspective. We lie, cheat, kill, steal all the time, but we are portrayed as heroic for it because what we do is for the "greater good", but who is to say that looking at the situation from the Garlean pov or the ascian pov or the beast tribe pov or the name-any-other-faction pov, that the story we experience would be completely different.



    They did not kill, they were beings willing to give their energies to a force of renewal so that the whole may survive. I think you are confusing the ascians who gave themselves to zodiarc with slaves and prisoners viciously slaughtered in some vain attempt at appeasing a god. Emet clearly states that what they did could not be understood by man because man does not have enough empathy for his fellows and for his planet as their ascian ancestors did. Nor the willingness the see beyond their own fragile ego. And the way the events are portrayed on the forums, he was exactly right.
    "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil"

    Didn't work for Anakin, doesn't work here.
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