Can we get choices that really matter and have a effect?

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

Yes, that's why Avengers: Infinity War is such a bad film, right? /s

A story doesn't need to have audience agency. In fact, it probably shouldn't in the vast majority of cases: humans are a fickle, indecisive bunch. There are some good games that allow player agency, like the aforementioned Undertale, and there are some really, REALLY bad ones, like any of Quantic Dreams' games. Player agency doesn't a good game make. Want a good example? Let's stick with Toby Fox: Deltarune Chapter 1 is a short little game in which player agency and choice expressly, demonstrably means nothing. The character you created? Tossed out the window. Spare or kill your enemies? Doesn't matter they always run away or are pacified and always give you stats and currency. Choose to make a joke of a battle machine design for your enemy? Doesn't matter, it still attacks. But. It's still a wonderful little story with the great promise of something bigger.

This foolish idea that you need player agency to have a good story is absolutely crazy nutso, especially since we have, multiple times, shown you that the idea is demonstrably false and would simply cost too much time and resources. Just stop.

um Avengers is a bad story really the only reason people go to watch that is the nonstalgic factor of Hulk smash or iron man or thors character not because of the story lol,,\\

In fact almost no one even cared about the story of that movie they just went for their favoirt characters..

also its not about agencys its about making twist,turns mindscrewers in the story be honest you knew what they were going to do to Emat,niddhog, zenos from the second you meet the characters that isn't good story writting if the second you show the character the viewer knows what is going to happan to that character...

I mean if you were really your character what would you have done be honest
because I would have helped hog destory ishgard
I would have tried to marry Zenos and help Emert

[KalinOrthos]

Ooooooh. Oh I get it, you're just delusional. Got it.

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

Ooooooh. Oh I get it, you're just delusional. Got it.

not delusional its just the cold hard truth ... I mean its like eating mac/cheese its not that great until you add a kick like pepper or something sour/hot... To be more clear

Its like Goosebumbs vs Twilight books ... Goosebumbs is 150-250x better and its a for children book series on 3rd grade level why is it better well its because you don't know what is going to happan in each page until you have read it.

So for example heres a compare and contrast

If a story is written like:

So the man journeyed down the broken road upon reaching the end he meet a old man the old man could answer a single question which would either lead to the mans doom or his future. (by this single line you know the mans choice would lead to his future if he was the hero)

Now lets try that again.

The broken man walked down the road his journey left questions in his mind is it wrong to seek out vengence, or is it better for him to move on with his life. The silent whistles of the wind echo down the whistling trees path until he approchs the end of his journey a path light in flames or a path of ice. Upon stopping at the path the old man looks upon the man and ask what is it you desire will grant upon you many things but choice wisely for your choice will have consquences no matter what you choice. (this unlike before could go millions and diffrent twist and turns like a snake)

[KalinOrthos]

not delusional its just the cold hard truth ... I mean its like eating mac/cheese its not that great until you add a kick like pepper or something sour/hot... To be more clear

Its like Goosebumbs vs Twilight books ... Goosebumbs is 150-250x better and its a for children book series on 3rd grade level why is it better well its because you don't know what is going to happan in each page until you have read it.

This is, unironically, the funniest thing you've ever posted.

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

This is, unironically, the funniest thing you've ever posted.

how is that funny ...

Yes A person could make fanfaction but honestly no one even really looks at fan fiction storys

As for what I want is for them stop given us a character we can relate to then killing them off because they are"bad"I fell in love with both Emet, and zenos from the start

its like what rwby did to Adam taurs when he had every right to want humanity destoryed and you felt for him and agreed

[Iscah]

Yes a story can have a single path and be good but not when it is your CHARACTER that is walking through it. It's one thing when final fantasy 7 or breath of fire or legend of dragoon forces one path because you aren't playing your character through it your playing a named character with a background premade and predesigned by the company. We design our character we choice his /her reasons for whatever. Its not like we are playing as Darts or Ryu that is premade to be angry/happy etc over story parts.

I think you're seriously overestimating how much agency we're supposed to have over our character.

Yes, we get to choose what they look like, and we get to choose their name - but you can do that in a lot of RPGs, even ones with established names like Tidus from FFX or the entire cast of FFVII.

Beyond that choice of character appearance, we're on exactly the same story rails as any other RPG hero. There are established facts about our character, set by the story, that we have no control over. They have the Echo. They are chosen by Hydaelyn. They have an origin that is only just now becoming clear to both us and them.

That doesn't make it "not an RPG" or that they're "doing it wrong" by not giving us more control.

If anything, it's a difference between the Japanese and Western approach to RPG storytelling.

We are playing a character. We are role-playing by slipping into that character's world and mindset, and taking them through the story.

not diffrent just to play out diffrent instend of softy save the world and dance in the rainbow sunline like pixies ... things can play out that way in fact all of that can be the same for people who truely want that softcoreness that has no depth whatsoever thats cool if it was for you...

You keep repeating things like this. Clearly you are looking for a very different story experience than this game is trying to tell.

It's a separate issue to "having choices". You could have a dark gritty narrative that is one hundred percent linear. You could have choices and still have both paths be "soft and light".

Not every story is written for every person to enjoy. There are plenty of games I would never play because I don't want the experience they are designed to give. Or maybe if the gameplay is good enough I'll put up with the story. But if you don't enjoy it, find something else that you do.

I'm not saying this to mean "go away". But there are so many different games and stories out there that if you really dislike the theme of this one, it doesn't really make sense to hang around saying it should be like another game entirely. That other game is probably out there somewhere, while this game caters to those who do want to save the world and "dance in the rainbow sunshine", as you put it. Not that I've had much urge to do that particularly.

Not because want because it would make the story actrually worth something... because when you have a story that you know how its going to end their is no point in even reading/listening the story at all.

That depends entirely on how enjoyable the journey to get there is.

In any case, I don't know how the story will end. In broad strokes, yes, we're probably going to save the world and there'll be some kind of bittersweet side to the victory. Beyond that... honestly I have no idea where the story is going to take us.

Even if I did know where it was going, I like this game. I like the characters. I want to see them have a good outcome in the end and be happy.

Again, if you don't want any of that, and you know how the story is going to end and you consider it pointless to engage in.... quite seriously, why are you here and not playing something else that you actually do get enjoyment from? Is the gameplay that good to make it worthwhile?

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

Same reason I joined wow Iscah to play in the final fantasy world but as my own person with my own thoughts,character devolpment that might work as a mercerny for some things but outside of it to create my own look story within the games..

I joined Wow because i liked sylvanas in war3 and the scourge and want to make my own story of death/scourge past and so on and choice my own single path within the games lore.

Final fantasy is the same I loved 1-10-2 and 13 was okay as was 11 ... to create your own character your own look your own story within a game series youve respected overall and make your own path.

[KalinOrthos]

how is that funny ...

Yes A person could make fanfaction but honestly no one even really looks at fan fiction storys

As for what I want is for them stop given us a character we can relate to then killing them off because they are"bad"I fell in love with both Emet, and zenos from the start

its like what rwby did to Adam taurs when he had every right to want humanity destoryed and you felt for him and agreed

Oh. Oh no. Oh sweety, did you genuinely relate to Emet-Selch and Zenos? And not just sympathize with them because they had an understandable motive to their rampant murder? Because most sane people just look at them and say "Cool motive; still murder." Because the atrocities they both commit are...well, atrocities. Emet has instituted mass genocide, not only on the shards but also on the Source. Zenos has not only wantonly killed civilians and his own subordinates, but has overseen the brutal suppressive regime on Doma. They are undoubtedly evil and in direct opposition to us, and you want to join them because "waaah i just want to have my old world back" and "waaah i had a bad childhood"? Are you for real?

[Iscah]

Same reason I joined wow Iscah to play in the final fantasy world but as my own person with my own thoughts,character devolpment that might work as a mercerny for some things but outside of it to create my own look story within the games..

Yes, but that isn't what this game is designed to let you do. It's designed to tell a fixed story using a character you created but don't have full narrative control over.

That doesn't make it a bad game. It just isn't the game you were looking for.

Enjoy it for what it is, if you can, but don't expect it to become something else entirely.

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

Oh. Oh no. Oh sweety, did you genuinely relate to Emet-Selch and Zenos? And not just sympathize with them because they had an understandable motive to their rampant murder? Because most sane people just look at them and say "Cool motive; still murder." Because the atrocities they both commit are...well, atrocities. Emet has instituted mass genocide, not only on the shards but also on the Source. Zenos has not only wantonly killed civilians and his own subordinates, but has overseen the brutal suppressive regime on Doma. They are undoubtedly evil and in direct opposition to us, and you want to join them because "waaah i just want to have my old world back" and "waaah i had a bad childhood"? Are you for real?

Well I'm going to ignore that bottom part because thats personal to that I will say sometimes what Emet ,niddhog or even in rwby Adam did is the true justice and greatest good thats all I'll say to it to. Also your correct most people would say that because most people haven't experienced anything real to make them realize that sometimes great evil is the greatest good. That and they let society brain wash them to the point they cant think for themself.