Limited Job #2: Beastmaster

[MonsutaMan]

Full job beastmaster will be utter trash, like 11's beastmaster. Nah, I will pass. I have no interest in that crap show again.

Devs: Dear beastmasters, here is your update.....A new crab pet!

Players: We already have 3 crab pets now....

Lets us go around taming monsters. That is what beastmaster is all about. It was never about group play because the old games were single player. Lets not get cute, trying to reinvent the wheel, lets go with what works. Beastmaster as a solo job worked in their mmo. It failed as a group job.

[Lambdafish]

Full job beastmaster will be utter trash, like 11's beastmaster. Nah, I will pass. I have no interest in that crap show again.

Devs: Dear beastmasters, here is your update.....A new crab pet!

Players: We already have 3 crab pets now....

Lets us go around taming monsters. That is what beastmaster is all about. It was never about group play because the old games were single player. Lets not get cute, trying to reinvent the wheel, lets go with what works. Beastmaster as a solo job worked in their mmo. It failed as a group job.

Or even better, it would work great in limited job group content. Imagine clearing savage raids with 4 BLUs and 4 BST, with some pets being tank pets, some being healing pets and some being DPS pets. Having to strategize around what pet you use would create some really unique gameplay for the limited job system (which I am now calling Disciples of Knowledge, because its a side activity like DoH/DoL, not something that is limited)

[MonsutaMan]

So it seems like Blue is an OP job that would be like adding Blue Marvel to the Marvel MCU, who would end the movie in five minutes by destroying all the villains.

My observation may be wrong, feel free to correct me. It seems like BLU is an OP job that would need to be weakened to fit into group roles? So it sounds like limited jobs are simply OP jobs that lets the player be Superman for a day, or OP? Maybe they should have changed the wording because the definition of limited conflicts with that.

Or limited refers to them being limited to solo play mostly. I still feel like there are better terms to describe the jobs.

[ReiMakoto]

So it seems like Blue is an OP job that would be like adding Blue Marvel to the Marvel MCU, who would end the movie in five minutes by destroying all the villains.

My observation may be wrong, feel free to correct me. It seems like BLU is an OP job that would need to be weakened to fit into group roles? So it sounds like limited jobs are simply OP jobs that lets the player be Superman for a day, or OP? Maybe they should have changed the wording because the definition of limited conflicts with that.

Or limited refers to them being limited to solo play mostly. I still feel like there are better terms to describe the jobs.

Kinda yes kinda no, its not really a superman job, as you still require groups to do most content in a reasonable timeframe, its just groups of BLUs. As for being weakened to fit in with normal groups, again yes and no dps blu already has a rotation thats output is rather high, but it is being artificially inflated by dps mimicrys ridiculous buffs, as well as access to percentage damage/instant kill skills, disallowing these skills and tuning the numbers on BLUs already existent rotation wouldnt be hard, and yes it would be weakened but it would still be able to retain most of its damage kit.

[Jandor]

PUPs with their customized mammets, BSTs with their collection of creatures, BLU with their spellbook of monster skills.

Maybe we'll get to see this group of weirdos taking on Omega in 6.1 .

[Wildsprite]

I'm all for them adding BST provided they allow it and eventually BLU to to roulettes

I think part of the appeal of BLU is being able to level in the open world(yes I know other jobs can too but it is easier for them to level in instanced dungeons/roulettes) but at the same time not being able to do instanced dungeons without a full party really stinks.

[Lambdafish]

I'm all for them adding BST provided they allow it and eventually BLU to to roulettes

I think part of the appeal of BLU is being able to level in the open world(yes I know other jobs can too but it is easier for them to level in instanced dungeons/roulettes) but at the same time not being able to do instanced dungeons without a full party really stinks.

Have you ever run a dungeon with BLU? Skills like level 5 death, launcher, and missile cut a 20 minute dungeon run down to 5 minutes. We would see people exclusively run as BLU, and the roulette experience would be ruined for anyone not playing BLU.

I'm all for more content for BLU (PotD being the perfect candidate, and iirc the only reason it's not able to do that is technical limitations of the levelling system), but mixing BLU into people's daily roulettes would be horrible. Maybe give BLU their own roulette that gives XP, Gil, and allied seals.

[Bright-Flower]

I'm all for them adding BST provided they allow it and eventually BLU to to roulettes

I think part of the appeal of BLU is being able to level in the open world(yes I know other jobs can too but it is easier for them to level in instanced dungeons/roulettes) but at the same time not being able to do instanced dungeons without a full party really stinks.

BLU is never getting into roulettse/current endgame content unless they reshape the job into the same mold the other jobs have to fit into. The unique aspects to it now come with a cost. And if people prefer that approach that's a fair opinion to have but BLU isn't going to get to have its cake and eat it too.

[Wildsprite]

Have you ever run a dungeon with BLU? Skills like level 5 death, launcher, and missile cut a 20 minute dungeon run down to 5 minutes.

they could easily limit the use of skills like this in any dungeon. it wouldn't be that hard for them to do.

BLU is never getting into roulettse/current endgame content unless they reshape the job into the same mold the other jobs have to fit into. .

they don't have to reshape the job as a whole, just limit what it can do in the dungeons it is allowed in. it wouldn't be that hard for them to do.

[ReiMakoto]

To do a brief asside. I've been playing a game called Final Fantasy Explorers recently, its a pretty fun game, its basically FFXIV/Monster hunter lite on the 3ds, where you team up and run dungeons with aoe telegraphs on enemy attacks and fight bosses with specific mechanics.

Blue Mage exists within this game, and it actually has less total spells than black mage, all of its spells can easily be learned by finding and fighting the monsters that use its skills, and these skills when put together for a cohesive kit of a support dps class. Is this Blue Mage "not a real blue mage" or only appealing to blue puristst? No. Its its own thing. Thats what really boils my piss about all of this, "can play something named BLU" arguments people make up. Blu is a class that conforms to the game environment its put in, and has wildly different usefulness and identity from game to game. This is why, in a game like ffxiv, I was looking forward to seeing what their interpretation would be, and they came out with limited blu, which is something that really does not appeal to me, but having an option to have both limited as side content and a balanced blu in the full game, does not take anything away from either, and neither is less or more a "real blue mage"