Mentors...please!

[SoranRigel]

In where did I state it was against toxic behavior hmm? You cant read?

So if the mentor cant help because of language barrier, are they a bad mentor?

The subject of our conversation is not that mentors cannot help by the fault (real or imaginary) of players, but that the mentoring system provokes mentors to take game achievements and behave toxic, which is fundamentally contrary to the rules of the game.
Please read previous messages in the discussion.

[Thamorian]

The subject of our conversation is not that mentors cannot help by the fault (real or imaginary) of players, but that the mentoring system provokes mentors to take game achievements and behave toxic, which is fundamentally contrary to the rules of the game.
Please read previous messages in the discussion.

No it doesn't. Again. No. It. Does. Not. That is flat out wrong. Correlation does not equal causation. If you want to try to prove that there being mentor achievements causes toxic mentors, you're gonna need to show some evidence. Sorry, your anecdotal evidence does not count. You are the one making the claim, you have to provide the evidence for it.

For a lot of people complaining saying mentor system should be abolished, they think mentors who leave extreme trials without a word or who let sprouts know that if they want to clear an EX trial, it's a lot easier and far faster to put up a party finder and they can do it unsynced is toxic? Perfectly valid and viable suggestion since most just want to clear and not do it synced specifically. I've seen as presented as evidence over and over and over again in these types of threads. Leaving a duty and taking a 30 minute penalty because you know the fight is just gonna be a huge waste of time when it is synced with a random party and only an hour to clear and making no progress or getting a clear is not toxic behavior.

[RajNish]

For a lot of people complaining saying mentor system should be abolished, they think mentors who leave extreme trials without a word or who let sprouts know that if they want to clear an EX trial, it's a lot easier and far faster to put up a party finder and they can do it unsynced is toxic?

I completed Garuda Ex synced on the 6th day of my game. There was a mentor in the group. He was a great guy. After the first wipe, he briefly told what to do. The second time we felt the mechanics. The third time, he said: "Great! We can do it!" And we did.

This guy was a good mentor. He correctly directed people and got the result. First, he was friendly. Second, he saw that we were completely new, but that did not stop him. He helped us, put the marks and explained the features of the phases.

As you can see, I have someone to compare with people who leave Titania normal after the first wipe or initiate a vote to abandon Labyrinth.

Ok, in your own words, what should a mentor be?

This is a player who likes to help beginners. He is experienced and polite, can explain mechanics if necessary, without insults, trolling, shaming or other aggressive actions.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I completed Garuda Ex synced on the 6th day of my game. There was a mentor in the group. He was a great guy. After the first wipe, he briefly told what to do. The second time we felt the mechanics. The third time, he said: "Great! We can do it!" And we did.

This guy was a good mentor. He correctly directed people and got the result. First, he was friendly. Second, he saw that we were completely new, but that did not stop him. He helped us, put the marks and explained the features of the phases.

As you can see, I have someone to compare with people who leave Titania normal after the first wipe or initiate a vote to abandon Labyrinth.



This is a player who likes to help beginners. He is experienced and polite, can explain mechanics if necessary, without insults, trolling, shaming or other aggressive actions.

So.. How does ex content fall into helping beginners? That is not beginner content.

Also, Garuda ex is the easiest of the ex fights now, since you can basically just burn her even synced.

And for a mentor to be any of those things, the people they are teaching have to listen. Which seems to be a rare occurrence these days. Like a super creeper.

[RajNish]

So.. How does ex content fall into helping beginners? That is not beginner content.

Also, Garuda ex is the easiest of the ex fights now, since you can basically just burn her even synced.

Like I said, I was a newbie, like most of this group. This is more complex ARR content that challenges the player. No one can prohibit players from doing this content at the current level. Or force them do it unsynced. Honestly, ARR Ex's still good enough if you make them synchronized. Try to do all of them with minimal allowable item level.

And for a mentor to be any of those things, the people they are teaching have to listen. Which seems to be a rare occurrence these days. Like a super creeper.

I will ask you the same question that I have seen here many times. Why do you remember only bad players and don’t remember those who listened and successfully played with you? Because I saw a lot of accusations here that we blame the mentors, but blaming new players, apparently, are the norm. Judging by this, I see two groups of unhappy people who suffer from each other. Are the crown and mount worth such suffering?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Like I said, I was a newbie, like most of this group. This is more complex ARR content that challenges the player. No one can prohibit players from doing this content at the current level. Or force them do it unsynced. Honestly, ARR Ex's still good enough if you make them synchronized. Try to do all of them with minimal allowable item level.



I will ask you the same question that I have seen here many times. Why do you remember only bad players and don’t remember those who listened and successfully played with you? Because I saw a lot of accusations here that we blame the mentors, but blaming new players, apparently, are the norm. Judging by this, I see two groups of unhappy people who suffer from each other. Are the crown and mount worth such suffering?

No, I dont really think the mount is worth it, nor do I wear the crown, despite having the knowledge to do so. I do remember most obscure mechanics in most fights.

Also, I'm not blaming new players, I'm blaming players who don't respond to advice and mess up the same mechanics over and over again, no matter how simple they are, without saying anything or responding to "does anyone need help or need a specific mechanic explained"

And I remember both the good and the bad. There's just a lot more bad than good, and a lot of mediocre in between.

[RajNish]

I'm blaming players who don't respond to advice and mess up the same mechanics over and over again, no matter how simple they are, without saying anything or responding to "does anyone need help or need a specific mechanic explained"

I met mentors who did almost the same thing. They killed the group with large pulls as a tanks, seeing that healer is a beginner and has a bad gear. They did not say a word about the mechanics of the second boss in Ala Mhigo for example, when people asked "Help!". Or were constantly in AOE, just because they so cool. And, of course, as DPS they pulled the boss first, before the tank.

Therefore, any player, who does not cooperate, can't be called a good and pleasant player. One question remains unanswered. Why do these people continue to be mentors if they do the same as ordinary bad players.