Mentors...please!

[SoranRigel]

You've not proven anything as fact nor provided any evidence as such.

If you are not GM then I am not required to provide any "special evidence" for you. They are provided for GM regularly in my reports (and my Free Company mates).

The fact that, unfortunately, often these reports do not lead to a ban of toxic mentors has already been discussed here.
It was also said here that many toxic mentors, well aware that police measures can be applied to them, are able to avoid direct violations and to veiled an abuze.
It was also said here that, unfortunately, the "add to the blacklist" system does not guarantee that you will not get into the party with these toxic mentors.
Also here and in a similar discussion on Reddit there are many people who confirm the negative experience of communicating with "mentors."

However, if everything has already been said, why do you continue to devalue the problem and experience of all these people and insist on methods that do not work?

If they were working, it is logical to assume that it would not be necessary to question the entire "mentoring system" as a whole.

[Banriikku]

A mentor chose to help.
I do not excuse any kind of insulting or any other way of rulebreaking or bad behavior. Such players need to be reported.
The claim many mentor player are toxic has still no prove and no explanation.
I am for a change but my concern is the commendation system and that stupid crown symbol (should be a watering can instead) and not the demand for punishment.
Policing the mentor system more in a way that seems like punishment for no reason is unhelpfull and destructive.
We need more enforcement of the rules but this is not mentor specific.
A toxic player is toxic because of his behavior not the mentor crown.

The claim the mentor specific rewards are the reason for MANY player to participate in the mentor system is not understandable.

Mentor Rewards:
The Title Mentor 50 Duyts (Mentor Roulette)
The Title : Mentor of Mentors 500 Dutys (Mentor Roulette)
Item Hat 200 Dutys
Item Monocle 1000 Dutys (Mentor Roulette)
The Mount Astrope 2000 Dutys (Mentor Roulette)

The mount is well earned with 2000 dutys. I fail to see what rewards are handed out that justify that statement.


I cant see what part of the mentor system encourages poor behavior.
The demand a mentor has to help if not he/she/it should be punished is unfounded.
Putting up some extrem requirements for mentors is absolut nonsense. But i agree the requirement shouldn't be just recommendations rather "kill every Extrem encounter 10 times".


My wishes are:
Change the crown to a watering can
Change the recommendation system or take it off from the mentor system and find a new way to evaluate the qualification for the mentorstatus.
NO Mounts/Minions or other fancy stuff as rewards.

My last wish is more off topic but we need somekind of general chat so that the socialization and the not game related talk goes there and the NN is just a help chat for sprouts, returning players and such.

But i am absolutely against these "you have to" demands. A mentor helps voluntary.
The argument "there are rulebreaking mentors" - do you have reported them ? If so then what is your problem ? They are still playing ? Then Se has decided that it was not enough to bann them. You are still unhappy but cant do anything ? Welcome my Friend you took the red pill.

[SoranRigel]

A toxic player is toxic because of his behavior not the mentor crown.

Let me supplement you substantially.
I 've already talked here about the impact of symbols of authority - such as awards, crown, riding animals, title - on the behavior of players with unstable behavior. Awards provoke them not to help, but to reach, and in these conditions assistance to beginners is perceived as an unfortunate obstacle. Authority is quite capable of changing behavior, and the most striking proof of this is the Stanford prison experiment.

At the same time, I have repeatedly faced a situation where the group refused to kick a toxic mentor without supporting the request. And that 's the other side of the problem: the gaming community is so tolerant of toxicity that it stopped noticing it.

[RajNish]

GM replied to one of my reports that I can write about the problem on forum. So, as you can see, this is exhaustive evidence that I have the right to discuss the problem and how to solve it on the SE forums.

[SoranRigel]

So, as you can see, this is exhaustive evidence that I have the right to discuss the problem and how to solve it on the SE forums.

Interesting and indicative of the problem itself:
you have no right to discuss the issue and talk about your experience until you provide evidence.
No one guarantees that this evidence will be sufficient, lol.

This is the case when I talk about depreciation.

[RajNish]

My wishes are:
Change the crown to a watering can
Change the recommendation system or take it off from the mentor system and find a new way to evaluate the qualification for the mentorstatus.
NO Mounts/Minions or other fancy stuff as rewards.

Here I absolutely agree with you.

Interesting and indicative of the problem itself:
you have no right to discuss the issue and talk about your experience until you provide evidence.
No one guarantees that this evidence will be sufficient, lol.

This is the case when I talk about depreciation.

According to GM's message, in response to my report, I have every right to discuss the problem. In this case, the GM's words have the greatest confidence for me, in contrast to the opinions of users, who do not remember or do not clearly understand the user agreement.

[Neoom]

Its like you two only respect each other and each other only, no wonder no one else likes talking about this with you. Also funny how your evidence photo just dissapeared...
Also we also have every right from the GM to talk in here, not only you two, if you refuse to listen thats not on us, but you cant tell us to move to somewhere else, youre not GM's or own this thread.

[RajNish]

Its like you two only respect each other and each other only, no wonder no one else likes talking about this with you. Also funny how your evidence photo just dissapeared...

Have you heard of the non-disclosure rule? You can believe me or not. But, GM's advice is sufficient reason for me. If you still have any other constructive suggestions, welcome.

[SoranRigel]

Its like you two only respect each other and each other only, no wonder no one else likes talking about this with you. Also funny how your evidence photo just dissapeared...
Also we also have every right from the GM to talk in here, not only you two, if you refuse to listen thats not on us, but you cant tell us to move to somewhere else, youre not GM's or own this thread.

Many thanks. Please continue in the same vein.

[Neoom]

Many thanks. Please continue in the same vein.

That's off topic and offers nothing to the of what we are chatting here, can we keep the chat back in the topic here?