Mentors...please!

[RajNish]

LOL! <…> It's mostly just people anecdotally complaining. So...bad example doesn't help your argument much.

One of the types of toxic discussion is the depreciation of the interlocutor's arguments, taking words out of context and mistakenly interpreting them, not paying attention to facts that contradict your idea. You have done this many times and continue to do the same.

The evidences that the SE clearly indicated the mentor’s qualities was given here several times. But you rejected the arguments one by one, including screenshots of the in-game message that was posted by other discussion participants. This is an exhaustive illustration of the fact that you, like some of my other opponents, do not accept constructive dialogue.

By the way, if we talk not only about gaming, but also about Internet etiquette, yours and my points of view may not fundamentally coincide for many reasons, but this is not a reason for passive and active verbal aggression. I hope that you can solve this problem in the future and successfully socialize in the communities of which you strive to be a part.

As for the reports, as I said above, this is not enough. GMs cannot and do not have the authority to change a system that has been working with overt violations for several years. So the appeals to developers with the request to change and modify the mentoring system appear and will appear on this forum, whether you like it or not.

Maybe because of this entire thread, and the many before, repeatedly thrashing mentors without possibly looking at the sprouts who have bad attitudes is enough to set my ire on point. Y'all need to stop.

The mentors have to suck it up and smile, right? That's what it means to wear the crown. Just take it, right? RIGHT? NAAAAAAAH.

Do you hope you will be understood, using Caps Lock? Did you know that in many cases such a text is recognized as a scream?

Unfortunately, to understand screaming is very difficult. It’s hard for me to trust your words, because they have a lot of negative emotions and there is no desire to solve a problem or offer solutions, on your part at least.

If you are tired of new players who ignore your help and mentor’s role, maybe something goes wrong?

And finally. Let me remind you that this forum is a free discussion platform where players can express opinion in a polite and correct manner and discuss what is important to them. Therefore, I will not stop.

[Neoom]

I 've read your point.
I understood her as an excuse for an interview from mentors and an attempt to shift attention from this problem.
I disagree with that approach. Please do not change or distort my words, it is a bad tactic to conduct discussion.

Thats what you do thought. You took my words out of context and changed them so it looked like I was saying its okay to be toxic while trying to only make a point how hard it is to help people with language barrier. It doesnt feel great in this end too. Since in no where have I stated its okay for ANYONE to be abusive or toxic more so being against it as I have stated so you taking my words out of my mouth and twisting them into something bad when theyre not is also abusive you know?

[SoranRigel]

Thats what you do thought. You took my words out of context and changed them so it looked like I was saying its okay to be toxic while trying to only make a point how hard it is to help people with language barrier.

The difference between "insult" and "overcoming the language barrier" is huge.
In this topic, we discuss the insults and unacceptable behavior of so-called "mentors," whose hamstring behavior outside the game rules is unacceptable to justify, including the arguments you used.

If your dissatisfaction concerns other aspects, you, of course, like anyone present here, can have a separate topic to discuss them.

[Neoom]

The difference between "insult" and "overcoming the language barrier" is huge.
In this topic, we discuss the insults and unacceptable behavior of so-called "mentors," whose hamstring behavior outside the game rules is unacceptable to justify, including the arguments you used.

If your dissatisfaction concerns other aspects, you, of course, like anyone present here, can have a separate topic to discuss them.

Even if its ''off-topic'' doesnt mean I cant include it in my answer to someone as an point of view even if it has no meaning of being toxic. So taking it as it would be toxic or i say its okay to be a-hole in that aspect is wrong. So yes even if this topic if for talking about toxic mentors not EVERY point it made about it, off-topics happen and in that case reading the context of the message is quite important.

[SoranRigel]

Even if its ''off-topic'' doesnt mean I cant include it in my answer to someone as an point of view even if it has no meaning of being toxic.

You are again trying to move the discussion away from the main topic.
I have to repeat: here we discuss unacceptable behavior of "mentors" and numerous problems caused by the existing system of mentoring.
Do you have anything to say on the merits?
If not, I am not inclined to continue this discussion.

[Neoom]

You are again trying to move the discussion away from the main topic.
I have to repeat: here we discuss unacceptable behavior of "mentors" and numerous problems caused by the existing system of mentoring.
Do you have anything to say on the merits?
If not, I am not inclined to continue this discussion.

Nice way to dodge a bullet of being dismissive Im also not inclined to not be belittled or my words being taken the wrong way but here we are.

[Banriikku]

@ Soran Riegel Hmm so what i see is : my opinion is right and yours wrong and if you disagree with me you are bad person etc. Thats not really a discussion.
You just ignor every argument that dont fit your theory. Also you dont explain your viewpoint at all. You just attack all mentors at once and try to etablish the term mentor=toxic. And try every person that disagree with you to make a defender of bad behavior. Thats rude polemical. You try to establish victims and offender with nothing in between.
On the topic itself toxic behavior and mentor status is just a corelation not a causality.

[RajNish]

@ Soran Riegel Hmm so what i see is : my opinion is right and yours wrong and if you disagree with me you are bad person etc. Thats not really a discussion.
You just ignor every argument that dont fit your theory. Also you dont explain your viewpoint at all. You just attack all mentors at once and try to etablish the term mentor=toxic. And try every person that disagree with you to make a defender of bad behavior. Thats rude polemical. You try to establish victims and offender with nothing in between.
On the topic itself toxic behavior and mentor status is just a corelation not a causality.

I beg you, look at the beginning of this discussion. It’s very strange to see how people joining it do not bother reading the thread. If you want to have all the information, please read. No one here says that mentors are bad just because they are mentors. We are talking about people who break the rules, insult other players, do not help, but continue to be mentors somehow.

What is a Mentor
Mentors are veteran players who chose to offer their time and experience to help guide new adventurers. To facilitate their assistance, mentors will gain access to a special chat channel as well as a means to easily register for duties and trials with new players.
As a mentor you are expected to actively perform the following:
1. Provide gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players.
2. Be an exemplar for player etiquette.
3. Invite new adventurers to the Novice Network and answer their queries in the chat channel.

Also we are talking here about a possible changes of the mentor's system. I do not know why most of people began to get so nervous and replace the original thread meaning.

[SoranRigel]

I do not know why most of people began to get so nervous and replace the original thread meaning.

I have no other assumptions than this: the topic of "toxic mentors" for some strange reason is very relevant and painful for them.
Therefore, they make a great effort to neutralize this fact, question it, and shift the focus to the speaker's personality.

[Thamorian]

I have no other assumptions than this: the topic of "toxic mentors" for some strange reason is very relevant and painful for them.
Therefore, they make a great effort to neutralize this fact, question it, and shift the focus to the speaker's personality.

You've not proven anything as fact nor provided any evidence as such. Just because you say it is a fact does not make it so. All that's been referenced as evidence is a few threads by a few people that claim there is a toxic mentor problem, yet in these same threads when you look through the pages of posts, there are more individuals responding that no there isn't a bigger problem and if someone is being toxic, report them. It gets annoying seeing these "I ran into a mean mentor. We need to abolish the whole mentor system!" threads popping up from time to time.