Main Scenario Roulette skip

[purgatori]

There is not a SINGLE good reason to make them skippable, the ONLY reason the reward os greate is bc it takes 45 minutes to complete. It is a completely optional content that gives a great reward for helping new players, people that complain about this roulette just want free rewards with zero effort or time spent, that's the only reason someone will complain about this dg. if you don't like this roulette, just don't do it, you are not obligated to do it in any way and let us who like the good amount of exp it gives and are ok with paying the "price", benefit from it. I really hope SE NEVER remove or nerf this roulette.

And if you disagree with my PoV, please, give a single good reason for making them skippable.

The only defence of this crap content—and *is* crap content, that's why they elected to make it a one-off—is that it's optional. Having to bribe veterans into doing said content with exorbitant rewards might sit well with you, and that's cool, but I'd rather not have crap content in the game, so I'd be fine with SE replacing it with a streamlined solo duty version.

And on top of that, when I was new, I didn't even get to SEE all the cutscenes, because the game kicked me out before they were all done, due to not having moved after the duty's completion. And of course, the factor that it meant I couldn't participate in any of the fights until my second time there, which isn't very enjoyable. It also got really freaking confusing regarding where everything was going on, since you didn't know the layout.

I missed them my first time through as well. Then, when they became unskippable, I realised that I hadn't missed much of anything (and that's coming from a player who focuses on lore & story). It's a badly designed section of the game—that is still confusing as all get-out unless you know it sideways and back to front—with a badly-told story that you're better off reading about. It only serves as a reminder of how much the game has evolved since 2.0, at least in regard to the way it delivers its story.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The only defence of this crap content—and *is* crap content, that's why they elected to make it a one-off—is that it's optional. Having to bribe veterans into doing said content with exorbitant rewards might sit well with you, and that's cool, but I'd rather not have crap content in the game, so I'd be fine with SE replacing it with a streamlined solo duty version.

Castrum isn't great, but praetorium is actually my favorite dungeon from 2.0. I wouldn't call it crap.

[purgatori]

Castrum isn't great, but praetorium is actually my favorite dungeon from 2.0. I wouldn't call it crap.

I don't even know which is which. They both merge into an undifferentiated continuum of crapness for me.

[Halivel]

I don't even know which is which. They both merge into an undifferentiated continuum of crapness for me.

That's true for you and that's okay. Storytelling is a subjective thing and as you don't like these 2 dungeons, there are people who doesn't like HW, SB or ShB. Matter of taste, there is no good or bad.

P.S. The Praetorium is a second, "tower-designed" dungeon, the one where you fight Nero, Gaius and Ultima.

[elizeugba]

The only defence of this crap content—and *is* crap content, that's why they elected to make it a one-off—is that it's optional. Having to bribe veterans into doing said content with exorbitant rewards might sit well with you, and that's cool, but I'd rather not have crap content in the game, so I'd be fine with SE replacing it with a streamlined solo duty version.



I missed them my first time through as well. Then, when they became unskippable, I realised that I hadn't missed much of anything (and that's coming from a player who focuses on lore & story). It's a badly designed section of the game—that is still confusing as all get-out unless you know it sideways and back to front—with a badly-told story that you're better off reading about. It only serves as a reminder of how much the game has evolved since 2.0, at least in regard to the way it delivers its story.

What will change in your life if these duties became solo? absolutely nothing, since they are totally optional and you probably don't do them anyway, the only real change will happen for the people that benefit from it, so what you are really saying is: "I don't like this roullete and I'm not gonna do it, so if I'm not getting the rewards, nobody can get them!".

[purgatori]

What will change in your life if these duties became solo? absolutely nothing, since they are totally optional and you probably don't do them anyway, the only real change will happen for the people that benefit from it, so what you are really saying is: "I don't like this roullete and I'm not gonna do it, so if I'm not getting the rewards, nobody can get them!".

No, what I'm really saying is: axe garbage content from the game, and attach rewards to activities that possess a modicum of intrinsic fun. I think it's betrays bad design when you have to bribe players into doing certain things in game that they would not, under any circumstances (I understand that this is an MMO, so some enticement is always needed for any piece of content) do otherwise. But hey, if you insist on attaching rewards to garbage content instead of good content, then more power to ya.

[Tlamila]

No, what I'm really saying is: axe garbage content from the game

So since you don't like something it must be garbage and taken out of the game.
Yeah, totally mature and reasonable.

[purgatori]

So since you don't like something it must be garbage and taken out of the game.
Yeah, totally mature and reasonable.

You're right. I know I'm alone in thinking it's garbage; that's why SE has to bribe people to do it, and why they kept adding new cutscene-infested MSQ dungeons for each new expansion.

[Tlamila]

You're right. I know I'm alone in thinking it's garbage; that's why SE has to bribe people to do it, and why they kept adding new cutscene-infested MSQ dungeons for each new expansion.

By definition all roulettes can be defined as "bribing people to do old content they wouldn't otherwise touch anymore" be it msq or Sastasha or Doma Castle or Holminster Switch or whatever. That's the whole point of them. MSQ roulette gives bigger rewards (but then Castrum doesn't really give more than levelling roulette) because of how much time it takes, not because "it sucks".

[Iscah]

No, what I'm really saying is: axe garbage content from the game, and attach rewards to activities that possess a modicum of intrinsic fun. I think it's betrays bad design when you have to bribe players into doing certain things in game that they would not, under any circumstances (I understand that this is an MMO, so some enticement is always needed for any piece of content) do otherwise. But hey, if you insist on attaching rewards to garbage content instead of good content, then more power to ya.

While it's a fair argument to make for newer content (eg. Eureka and particularly the fact that they're apparently doing it again despite very mixed reactions to the first one) the MSQ roulette dungeons seem to be more of an early mistake that they're stuck with. They clearly conceived if it as an epic finale to the story - as they might implement for a single-player RPG - and failed to consider the issue of queue times for "latecomers" who still need a party of eight to enter this otherwise-dead content.

The roulette and rewards aren't implemented because the level is something intended to be run repeatedly, but because they realised that to ensure new players are able to do it at all, they need old players in there and regularly queuing for it - and they need to be incentivised to do it, because they wouldn't choose to otherwise. It's patching up a mistake rather than designing major repeatable content.

The rewards aren't there to make the roulette a featured activity, they're compensation for helping new players through this acknowledged-to-be-badly-designed content - keeping the queue flowing for them whether they're directly in your party or not.