Parsing? Drama? ToS? Solution!

[tdb]

I have no interest in improving my performance, I play this game for fun. The only time I do an EX trial or Savage is simply for the clear. Those of you who treat it all like a job need to seriously examine your priorities and lighten up a bit. In the end, it's a game. Expecting players to be banned from using the Duty Finder because you don't want to end up with a casual player, well, that's how you roll on the dice. You never know what you're going to get and that is the way it is. It's the serious raiders and parsers who should be making their own party in PF if they want to be elitist and keep people out.

Some people, don't want to know every little detail of the fights. Hell, I've done fights and dungeons multiple times and my short term memory pretty much wipes once I've done it.

I hope you at least find groups that are okay with helping you out. If everyone agrees with it, all is fine. It's just the people who join a clear party without saying a word and then proceed to not pull their weight and maybe even blame others for it that are problematic.

[Teros]

The issue there wasn't letting the BLM know he was holding the party back. The issue was how that was done.

"Hey man, your DPS is pretty low for this encounter and it's hurting the run" - fine

"You !$#@!'ing suck! Look at your numbers (as I show them to the whole world)! You're *&%!'ing awful, do you even play?!?" - banworthy

do you have the video clip by chance? from what I was told by people that have seen it, "banworthy" was only done on his stream and never in game and so no wouldn't be banworthy IMO. even if the alleged witchhunt happened to me it is grey area because I doubt he told anyone trolling to track the person down, at most they could have asked for it to be taken down.

I have out dps'd a dpser in hades ex as a sch, but before I get upset I check their gear. I have bis, if they have something like ronoak gear I just chalk it up as someone new, might even ask them if they would like some pointers. if they are bis as well, well then ...

[Hiply]

do you have the video clip by chance? from what I was told by people that have seen it, "banworthy" was only done on his stream and never in game and so no wouldn't be banworthy IMO. even if the alleged witchhunt happened to me it is grey area because I doubt he told anyone trolling to track the person down, at most they could have asked for it to be taken down.

I have out dps'd a dpser in hades ex as a sch, but before I get upset I check their gear. I have bis, if they have something like ronoak gear I just chalk it up as someone new, might even ask them if they would like some pointers. if they are bis as well, well then ...

It actually did happen out of game, he displayed the ACT screen on his Twitch stream and tore into the guy by name. If you google "Arthars Banned" you'll get to the info pretty quickly.

[Angus-Beef]

I have no interest in improving my performance, I play this game for fun. The only time I do an EX trial or Savage is simply for the clear. Those of you who treat it all like a job need to seriously examine your priorities and lighten up a bit. In the end, it's a game. Expecting players to be banned from using the Duty Finder because you don't want to end up with a casual player, well, that's how you roll on the dice. You never know what you're going to get and that is the way it is. It's the serious raiders and parsers who should be making their own party in PF if they want to be elitist and keep people out.

Some people, don't want to know every little detail of the fights. Hell, I've done fights and dungeons multiple times and my short term memory pretty much wipes once I've done it.

See this mentality is why we have issues like this in the first place.

If you have fun that way fine, but don't see it as wrong for others to not want to deal with someone who's brain dead in df every roulette.

[LaylaTsarra]

See this mentality is why we have issues like this in the first place.

If you have fun that way fine, but don't see it as wrong for others to not want to deal with someone who's brain dead in df every roulette.

I rarely run into braindead people in roulettes that I do and I do a ton of them with the many alts that I have. People running with parsers open all the time need to understand that there is a large segment of the community who could give a hoot about them and yes they play this game for fun.

I can certainly understand the need for them in Savage and even to an extent for extreme primals but they certainly aren't needed for casual play and the braindead meme on this forum gets pretty old.

[Angus-Beef]

I rarely run into braindead people in roulettes that I do and I do a ton of them with the many alts that I have. People running with parsers open all the time need to understand that there is a large segment of the community who could give a hoot about them and yes they play this game for fun.

I can certainly understand the need for them in Savage and even to an extent for extreme primals but they certainly aren't needed for casual play and the braindead meme on this forum gets pretty old.

I wish I were memeing, I really really wish I were memeing.

[Hash_Browns]

I rarely run into braindead people in roulettes that I do and I do a ton of them with the many alts that I have. People running with parsers open all the time need to understand that there is a large segment of the community who could give a hoot about them and yes they play this game for fun.

I can certainly understand the need for them in Savage and even to an extent for extreme primals but they certainly aren't needed for casual play and the braindead meme on this forum gets pretty old.

Ahh, I see we're going this route.

[Teros]

it is like this was done just for threads like this.. https://youtu.be/PjpTnI5Hapg

[purgatori]

Ahh, I see we're going this route.

And how is using parsers to optimise your output for the top-tier play analogous to the analogy contained in your meme, which relates to knowing the basic rules of the game? You can know the rules of chess without knowing all the grandmaster strategies. Don't conflate the two just because you like dunking on filthy casuals.

[Hash_Browns]

And how is using parsers to optimise your output for the top-tier play analogous to the analogy contained in your meme, which relates to knowing the basic rules of the game? You can know the rules of chess without knowing all the grandmaster strategies. Don't conflate the two just because you like dunking on filthy casuals.

Their is quite the difference between "knowing the basics" and "not knowing a damn thing, and facerolling your keyboard, or not using half your kit."

The best example I can give is healers. You could post a thread about healing, and a good chunk of these forums would tell you that healers shouldn't/don't have to DPS, to play your own way, don't worry about DPSing at all - some would say that even for savage content.

I'm no where near a top-tier player, but it's things like that which ultimately end up pissing me off because a good chunk of the players are being fed this bullsh*t stupid "just play your way" thing. It's really not how the game works. You don't have to be a "elite toxic raider" to deal decent damage - you just need to read your tooltips, which is something a lot of people don't seems to be able to do. Hell, I'm not even parsing other players - but it's clear to me when someone is not playing their class correctly (mostly healers) and is basically griefing the party because "I'll play the way I want" or "you don't pay my sub".

The issues at hand aren't that the raiding player-base are expecting casual players to get in their level, it's that the playerbase that knows even the basics want people playing the level 80s in the DF to actually KNOW THE BASICS.

Just look at one of the posts above.

I have no interest in improving my performance, I play this game for fun.

This is exactly why people get pissed off.
This is why we have Ice Mages, and non-dpsing healers.

These aren't elite raiding tactics, these are the basics, and that mentality has no place in a multiplayer game.