Parsing? Drama? ToS? Solution!

[Halivel]

I personally don't see how this instanced striking dummy is different from SSS except some little adjustments. This dummy still means nothing in terms of being able to do the battle properly, because you know what?
Striking dummy and SSS do not teach you anything. It only checks if you are able to pass dps check in theory. That's all.
It's one thing to pass dps check on static doll that doesn't hit you and completely another to do your best with action happening around you with all Force Majeures as well (that do happen even in most good parties).
There is no way to prevent high end content from having unskilled players there, because not even the best simulator will teach you the real battle with 7 people beside you.

[Teros]

I would love to have a setting in party finder that you can only join a high end party if you can cleared SSS in x time, or allow folks to join that parse blue and above.

These last few days PF has been garbage with parties barely able to pass content, dps and mechanically. Just because you were carried to your first clear does not mean I have to waste time trying to continue to carry you. Your grey/green parses do nothing but lower my game experience, how is that fair to me when I just want to farm stuff. why do we need to carter to lowest common denominator. if they want to play casually and grey/green, great, form a party just like everyone else. Parse is a tool, and while not the end all be all factor, it does assist in gauging someones potential.

[MitsukiKimura]

I would love to have a setting in party finder that you can only join a high end party if you can cleared SSS in x time, or allow folks to join that parse blue and above.

These last few days PF has been garbage with parties barely able to pass content, dps and mechanically. Just because you were carried to your first clear does not mean I have to waste time trying to continue to carry you. Your grey/green parses do nothing but lower my game experience, how is that fair to me when I just want to farm stuff. why do we need to carter to lowest common denominator. if they want to play casually and grey/green, great, form a party just like everyone else. Parse is a tool, and while not the end all be all factor, it does assist in gauging someones potential.

People who want to use a third party parse tool to be toxic with it end up on my blacklist. Those kind of people are what's bad for this community. Nothing wrong with using it to improve yourself but if you're going to degrade others with it, then you need a reality check.

[Teros]

People who want to use a third party parse tool to be toxic with it end up on my blacklist. Those kind of people are what's bad for this community. Nothing wrong with using it to improve yourself but if you're going to degrade others with it, then you need a reality check.

add me to that list if you like , I have never bashed anyone for their parse, In fact I join a good deal of clear parties to see if I can help. All raiders started out in the grey area, some learned to get better on their own (typically the toxic ones), others found someone to teach them. I myself was very casual in HW until a FC mate took me under his wing and guided through SB.

all that I am claiming here is that if you want to play with a certain level of player that should be allowed in PF. I love the casuals on here that just respond with "just go make your party tryhard" when you cannot in game. I have put in PF a description of parse party and end up getting tells from a bunch of people on their soap boxes about the tos. I have even put up PFs in the past asking for grey and greens that want to learn how to be better and still get the same bunch of people about tos. Heck if you think about it, if you could gate your PF, toxicity would probably go down because you would know exactly what you are getting before you join that party.

the attack on raiders by "casuals" is also a major factor in why populations spikes for new content. They come back do the raid tier, 3 months later they are out because PF sucks most of the time and they get frustrated for the reasons I already mentioned.

[Halivel]

add me to that list if you like , I have never bashed anyone for their parse, In fact I join a good deal of clear parties to see if I can help. All raiders started out in the grey area, some learned to get better on their own (typically the toxic ones), others found someone to teach them. I myself was very casual in HW until a FC mate took me under his wing and guided through SB.

all that I am claiming here is that if you want to play with a certain level of player that should be allowed in PF. I love the casuals on here that just respond with "just go make your party tryhard" when you cannot in game. I have put in PF a description of parse party and end up getting tells from a bunch of people on their soap boxes about the tos. I have even put up PFs in the past asking for grey and greens that want to learn how to be better and still get the same bunch of people about tos. Heck if you think about it, if you could gate your PF, toxicity would probably go down because you would know exactly what you are getting before you join that party.

the attack on raiders by "casuals" is also a major factor in why populations spikes for new content. They come back do the raid tier, 3 months later they are out because PF sucks most of the time and they get frustrated for the reasons I already mentioned.

Just set the higher iLvL? It's not the best solution (and doesn't work in early prog on top of that, but 1st weeks are it's own topic), but at least it exists right now, and there is almost 0% rate that they will ever let set filters other than "Completed" and "Minimum iLvL" for a variety of reasons. And considering that as PF holder you can set min ilvl higher than your own... more settings will still not save you from having tricky players who want to have good geared experienced party even if they are themselvefs are not that good. And as reasult this still will be a carrying, probably.

If you are a PF owner, setting let's say 465+ ilvl will most likely save you from having people you need to literally carry (except those with full Shadow set maybe, but I barely see people in full 470 tomestones set tbh). Aside this - if you don't like how the run goes, just leave it. Yes, it's annoying, but there is not much you can do about this.

[Trainwreck81]

I know this isn't a complete solution, but what if they used the trust system introduced in ShB for raids and Ex trials. That way people can go in and learn the actual fight without affecting anyone else. You wouldn't get gear drops, but maybe some tomes (as an incentive to do it). You would have to clear each difficulty to be able to queue for it in PF or roulette. I'm not a developer, but that doesn't seem too hard to do. They already have all the systems in place.

[Nedkel]

Personal performance is not the problem, but failing at mechanics and failing to dodge properly.

[Barraind]

Do you think SE would have to take some sort of action to continuing protect the much larger casual player base over the much smaller and using non sanctioned tools high end progression group.

Squeenix needs to realize this isnt 1999 and you cant force people to play full screen where alt-tab crashes your game.

That was the first couple years of EQ, and people tolerated it, because hey, this is new and exciting.

And those of us who raided parsed combat logs at the end of the night because we didnt have a way to measure dps in game or in real time, but still needed to know who was worth keeping around and who wasnt.

And when the next wave of MMO's came out, the raiding community, as a whole, said "we need tools to figure out whats going on". And devs listened. And either implemented those tools or allowed those tools to exist.

We're 20 years later, and we're still using timed enrage as a wipe mechanic in MMO's, which means people who raid still need to be able to tell who is pulling their weight and who is terrible to the point you cant realistically save them from themselves.

[Omymy]

I would love to have a setting in party finder that you can only join a high end party if you can cleared SSS in x time, or allow folks to join that parse blue and above.

These last few days PF has been garbage with parties barely able to pass content, dps and mechanically. Just because you were carried to your first clear does not mean I have to waste time trying to continue to carry you. Your grey/green parses do nothing but lower my game experience, how is that fair to me when I just want to farm stuff. why do we need to carter to lowest common denominator. if they want to play casually and grey/green, great, form a party just like everyone else. Parse is a tool, and while not the end all be all factor, it does assist in gauging someones potential.

If you're so good and elitist, make a group of super cool people and play with them. Potato.

[Teros]

If you're so good and elitist, make a group of super cool people and play with them. Potato.

awe someones feelings are hurt, that is part of the issue you cannot make a group in PF and say blue parse and above only, because you get banned because some grey parser gets butt hurt.