Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[DynnDiablos]

Apparently they have the money to spend on TV spin offs but not to hire more staff for the very rote work of high-res texture asset conversion... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At least the latest murmurings from them give me a bit more hope that they intend to improve the graphics in time.

They are never going to do this if it leaves console players in the dust. Too many players play on PS4 and PS4 Pro, me included. Maybe if they do a PS5 version, they will do a higher upscale, but they won't risk cutting off the PS4 player base because with the PS5 being backwards compatible, many players will continue to utilize that platform.

[DynnDiablos]

Why does it need to 'stop', exactly? I'll note that - more often than not - it's people playing female characters who seek to downplay the concerns raised by those of us who play male characters.

I'm well aware of the reasoning that the development team put forward, though it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny for the reasons outlined in previous posts. I wouldn't consider Hrothgar to be hugely 'diverse', either - it's rare that I see one these days and those that I do see all seem to have the exact same face. They're also very bulky to the same degree as Roegadyn, which is weird since they're clearly meant to be a throwback to Ronso that weren't so oversized...

As for Monster Hunter World, it doesn't matter if it's a 'newer' game. I also brought up WoW earlier, which is an older game and as pointed out then I'll note that it not only updated the character models once already it intends to do as much with the upcoming expansion.

Regardless of Hrothgar or Viera having the same faces, I've seen wonderful character customization in terms of styles, fur colors and highlights. I have yet to see two identical Hrothgar and the players do a fantastic job with the resources they have. Also, on Aether there is a very large Hrothgar population, especially on Faerie.

[Vahlnir]

Regardless of Hrothgar or Viera having the same faces, I've seen wonderful character customization in terms of styles, fur colors and highlights. I have yet to see two identical Hrothgar and the players do a fantastic job with the resources they have. Also, on Aether there is a very large Hrothgar population, especially on Faerie.

It probably helps that there's like 100 Miqo'te and/or Viera for every Hrothgar, at least as far as my experiences go. In Limsa I'm usually one of maybe 2 or 3 at most at any given time. In dungeons or raids, including 24 mans, I'm the only one more often than not. They seem to be rarer than Roes on Crystal, but it's a bit of an RP hub, so...

[VirusOnline]

This mentality needs to stop...yoshiP already addressed why there is no Male Viera. They didn't have the resources or time for it - IE they were probably gonna do it... but they also wanted to cater to the demand of a Beast Race. So they made 2 races instead of 1, but only had enough time for 1 gender of both. They also did this because it might be the last time they could make any new races because of the amount of time and resources it takes to make them in the fist place...not to mention the time it takes to fit the thousands of Gear Pieces to the models. Adding in the Hrothgar was also a move to give a much more Diverse option in making an avatar...since its the Only Playable Beast Race.

YoshiP can say what YoshiP wants. Public image exists to hide personal opinions especially when it comes to two different cultures, but what's been said has been said and regardless of what comes after whatever was said will always exist in the sore state of male viera. I would like anything except the situation we have now. SE could have decided to create their own race again. I mean this is quite literally a different dimension of FF. You want diversity ? Create it yourself. Don't serve up a plate of rehashed lore which you then promptly proceed to manipulate into a red herring. I think for me that was the head turning point I could not believe. I mean I love candy, but giving me an ultimatum between twix and kitkat ? How. Very. Dare. You.

You want that real spicy diversity ? Should have done hrothgar entirely or gone with male viera and female hrothgar. The least path of resistance would have been full viera, with that they most likely would not have been hrothgated in customization.

imo, there was no "probably gonna do it". No, it wasn't in the stars at all to begin with and we've gone over the speculation of why many times over in this thread. Look at the state of limitation that the new races are in. Now that sounds like the "probably gonna do it", but probably also not, we'll flip a coin over it but we'll never really say yes or no. Ahah.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Why does it need to 'stop', exactly? I'll note that - more often than not - it's people playing female characters who seek to downplay the concerns raised by those of us who play male characters.

I'm not downplaying anything. I just don't expect it until 6.0 because new character models take a lot of work, and they're more likely to put the budget into something they can market as a selling point for an expansion than for patch content. I do fully expect both races to be finished in the future, I just advocate patience.

[Alacran]

This mentality needs to stop...yoshiP already addressed why there is no Male Viera. They didn't have the resources or time for it - IE they were probably gonna do it... but they also wanted to cater to the demand of a Beast Race. So they made 2 races instead of 1, but only had enough time for 1 gender of both. They also did this because it might be the last time they could make any new races because of the amount of time and resources it takes to make them in the fist place...not to mention the time it takes to fit the thousands of Gear Pieces to the models. Adding in the Hrothgar was also a move to give a much more Diverse option in making an avatar...since its the Only Playable Beast Race.

Also.....Monster Hunter World is a Newer and Much Different game with a much different game Engine. Comparing FFXIV to MHW is kind of weird.

And they failed. They gave themselves more work, as much as male Viera was weird to him, now they have to contend with female Hrothgar demand. For a a company known for their "waifus", i have to wonder how they feel about that one now.

I have stayed away from the discussion for a while due to my own vitriol being somewhat more... intense, however using the excuse of there not being enough time or resources is not only tired but flimsy at best. A conscious decision was made to mislead, then ignore a high demand issue made by the player base due to personal discomfort of bunny men.

There are many sorry and unhelpful mentalities that need to stop, discomfort on one persons part should not ruin the enjoyment of a fan base. I want male Viera, i feel that female Viera hair selection limitations were due to not wanting them to have to much over male Horthgar customization, i feel Hrothgar are a mistake and being a limited race (hairstyle unable to change without fantasia is a big indicator of this) was something no one wanted.

In the end, now they have to not only worry about missing genders but missing premium hair styles, exotic body modifications for gear use (Hrothgar male and female), lore for both missing genders, ect... People can claim that we needed a beast race all day, that's fine but i would argue a census of currently active Hrothgar would give the devs something to ponder.

Was it worth it? Now that Hrothgar and Viera can't use earned /mog station bought hair styles, now that their is demand for female Hrothgar as well, now that the question of lessened content of one less dungeon opens oh so important valuable time and resources for those much need additions? By trying circumvent the issue, they shot themselves in the foot.

[Bright-Flower]

I don't think they made hrothgar because 'ewww bunny boys' I believe them when they say they wanted to accomodate demands for viera and a beast race but didn't have the resources to fully do both.

Should they throw more money and resources at the FFXIV team? Maybe. This isn't an instant fix, but over time the team could be grown with more investment in it.

I think the way it landed is similar to why Miqo'te and Roes (and the races from XI that inspired them) were initially mono gendered. They figure 'big strong' characters appeal more to males (or those playing male characters) and that sexy appeals more to female (or those playing female characters) so they made the viera females and hrothgar males not knowing if they'd be able to come back and do the other genders.

I'd like for them to be added in for both races, but seeing how viera and hrothgar came out, I really don't think the team can handle it and I doubt SE is wanting to pump a lot more money into it, they'd probably rather milk FFXIV as a source of income for other projects than invest more of its earnings back into the game.

I don't think these issues would go away though if they had just one race with both genders. Because both genders of a new race would still have different models that have to fit the gear to, their own customization options etc. Personally I would have rather gotten both genders of either Hrothgar or Viera (either one) than the current situation, but I have a feeling that either way the new race was going to ship with issues because regardless of whether SE should send more money their way or not, the FFXIV team is apparantly being pushed to its limits as is in this department.

[Schwarzwind]

I hope they find a solution for the lacking customization options of Viera and Hrothgar soon! I understand that creating new races takes a lot of ressources and time and do not expect them to add the missing genders soon. But I still support them as long as they finish male Viera and female Hrothgar before implementation.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Why does it need to 'stop', exactly? I'll note that - more often than not - it's people playing female characters who seek to downplay the concerns raised by those of us who play male characters.

?....when was this a thing?

I wouldn't consider Hrothgar to be hugely 'diverse', either - it's rare that I see one these days and those that I do see all seem to have the exact same face. They're also very bulky to the same degree as Roegadyn, which is weird since they're clearly meant to be a throwback to Ronso that weren't so oversized...

That sounds like an issue with your server, I see plenty on mine and have been matched up with plenty.
And...lol they only have 4 faces, Ive seen the same Hyur, Au-ra, and Miqote faces numerous times. We gonna say all the races aren't diverse then, just because we see a popular face option? The body comment just sounds like personal taste, the only thing Ronso about the Hrothgar is the 4th face option. Sad imo that not all face options have a Unicorn Horn cosmetic. Then we'd see some legit Ronsos running around.

As for Monster Hunter World, it doesn't matter if it's a 'newer' game. I also brought up WoW earlier, which is an older game and as pointed out then I'll note that it not only updated the character models once already it intends to do as much with the upcoming expansion.

I wasn't here for your WoW comment so it has no baring for me. But I will say they did it over time. If FFXIV is still around nearly as much as WoW, maybe we will see similar updates.

... you don't say? Are you trying to suggest, though, that they can't upgrade their existing engine?

No, I don't say. Because I never said that.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

YoshiP can say what YoshiP wants. Public image exists to hide personal opinions especially when it comes to two different cultures, but what's been said has been said and regardless of what comes after whatever was said will always exist in the sore state of male viera. I would like anything except the situation we have now. SE could have decided to create their own race again. I mean this is quite literally a different dimension of FF. You want diversity ? Create it yourself. Don't serve up a plate of rehashed lore which you then promptly proceed to manipulate into a red herring. I think for me that was the head turning point I could not believe. I mean I love candy, but giving me an ultimatum between twix and kitkat ? How. Very. Dare. You.

You want that real spicy diversity ? Should have done hrothgar entirely or gone with male viera and female hrothgar. The least path of resistance would have been full viera, with that they most likely would not have been hrothgated in customization.

imo, there was no "probably gonna do it". No, it wasn't in the stars at all to begin with and we've gone over the speculation of why many times over in this thread. Look at the state of limitation that the new races are in. Now that sounds like the "probably gonna do it", but probably also not, we'll flip a coin over it but we'll never really say yes or no. Ahah.

I was with you for a moment, but then it feels like this literally devolved into "Give me Male Viera"