Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

We were always unlikely to see them added in a patch. The issue is that by not addressing it at all it's very easy for them to just sit back and hope that people forget/grow disillusioned with the idea over time. It's been clear since day one that there was a reluctance to add them (especially with Yoshi-P referring to them as 'weird' in an early interview). They'd only be weird if they made to be weird.

Following on from that, they claim to have added Viera due to 'popular demand' and yet going back through the original thread asking for Viera to be added a considerable amount of the feedback was down to people being excited about the possibility of finally seeing them. The amount of people asking for female viera to be added isn't actually as high as I initially thought it would be - the numbers were padded out and the thread kept active by people asking for the men to be added as well.

It's a shame that FFXIV struggles so much in regards to character customisation. To the point where even pseudo-MMO's like Monster Hunter World have a much better character customisation system. At least in that I can design a character that is both classically handsome and fairly well-built, whereas in FFXIV I cannot do that.

Though, of course, the development team bend over backwards to ensure that those wanting to play 'waifus' are catered to at every turn. It's a bit embarrassing, really! It's just a shame that the MMO market is so stagnant these days. I enjoy FFXIV, though the character customisation system is one of my major issues with it across the board, tying into other issues I have with the game as well.

This mentality needs to stop...yoshiP already addressed why there is no Male Viera. They didn't have the resources or time for it - IE they were probably gonna do it... but they also wanted to cater to the demand of a Beast Race. So they made 2 races instead of 1, but only had enough time for 1 gender of both. They also did this because it might be the last time they could make any new races because of the amount of time and resources it takes to make them in the fist place...not to mention the time it takes to fit the thousands of Gear Pieces to the models. Adding in the Hrothgar was also a move to give a much more Diverse option in making an avatar...since its the Only Playable Beast Race.

Also.....Monster Hunter World is a Newer and Much Different game with a much different game Engine. Comparing FFXIV to MHW is kind of weird.

[Theodric]

This mentality needs to stop...yoshiP already addressed why there is no Male Viera. They didn't have the resources or time for it - IE they were probably gonna do it... but they also wanted to cater to the demand of a Beast Race. So they made 2 races instead of 1, but only had enough time for 1 gender of both. They also did this because it might be the last time they could make any new races because of the amount of time and resources it takes to make them in the fist place...not to mention the time it takes to fit the thousands of Gear Pieces to the models. Adding in the Hrothgar was also a move to give a much more Diverse option in making an avatar...since its the Only Playable Beast Race.

Also.....Monster Hunter World is a Newer and Much Different game with a much different game Engine. Comparing FFXIV to MHW is kind of weird.

Why does it need to 'stop', exactly? I'll note that - more often than not - it's people playing female characters who seek to downplay the concerns raised by those of us who play male characters.

I'm well aware of the reasoning that the development team put forward, though it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny for the reasons outlined in previous posts. I wouldn't consider Hrothgar to be hugely 'diverse', either - it's rare that I see one these days and those that I do see all seem to have the exact same face. They're also very bulky to the same degree as Roegadyn, which is weird since they're clearly meant to be a throwback to Ronso that weren't so oversized...

As for Monster Hunter World, it doesn't matter if it's a 'newer' game. I also brought up WoW earlier, which is an older game and as pointed out then I'll note that it not only updated the character models once already it intends to do as much with the upcoming expansion.

[DynnDiablos]

Why does it need to 'stop', exactly? I'll note that - more often than not - it's people playing female characters who seek to downplay the concerns raised by those of us who play male characters.

I'm well aware of the reasoning that the development team put forward, though it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny for the reasons outlined in previous posts. I wouldn't consider Hrothgar to be hugely 'diverse', either - it's rare that I see one these days and those that I do see all seem to have the exact same face. They're also very bulky to the same degree as Roegadyn, which is weird since they're clearly meant to be a throwback to Ronso that weren't so oversized...

As for Monster Hunter World, it doesn't matter if it's a 'newer' game. I also brought up WoW earlier, which is an older game and as pointed out then I'll note that it not only updated the character models once already it intends to do as much with the upcoming expansion.

Regardless of Hrothgar or Viera having the same faces, I've seen wonderful character customization in terms of styles, fur colors and highlights. I have yet to see two identical Hrothgar and the players do a fantastic job with the resources they have. Also, on Aether there is a very large Hrothgar population, especially on Faerie.

[Vahlnir]

Regardless of Hrothgar or Viera having the same faces, I've seen wonderful character customization in terms of styles, fur colors and highlights. I have yet to see two identical Hrothgar and the players do a fantastic job with the resources they have. Also, on Aether there is a very large Hrothgar population, especially on Faerie.

It probably helps that there's like 100 Miqo'te and/or Viera for every Hrothgar, at least as far as my experiences go. In Limsa I'm usually one of maybe 2 or 3 at most at any given time. In dungeons or raids, including 24 mans, I'm the only one more often than not. They seem to be rarer than Roes on Crystal, but it's a bit of an RP hub, so...

[TheMightyMollusk]

Why does it need to 'stop', exactly? I'll note that - more often than not - it's people playing female characters who seek to downplay the concerns raised by those of us who play male characters.

I'm not downplaying anything. I just don't expect it until 6.0 because new character models take a lot of work, and they're more likely to put the budget into something they can market as a selling point for an expansion than for patch content. I do fully expect both races to be finished in the future, I just advocate patience.

[VirusOnline]

This mentality needs to stop...yoshiP already addressed why there is no Male Viera. They didn't have the resources or time for it - IE they were probably gonna do it... but they also wanted to cater to the demand of a Beast Race. So they made 2 races instead of 1, but only had enough time for 1 gender of both. They also did this because it might be the last time they could make any new races because of the amount of time and resources it takes to make them in the fist place...not to mention the time it takes to fit the thousands of Gear Pieces to the models. Adding in the Hrothgar was also a move to give a much more Diverse option in making an avatar...since its the Only Playable Beast Race.

YoshiP can say what YoshiP wants. Public image exists to hide personal opinions especially when it comes to two different cultures, but what's been said has been said and regardless of what comes after whatever was said will always exist in the sore state of male viera. I would like anything except the situation we have now. SE could have decided to create their own race again. I mean this is quite literally a different dimension of FF. You want diversity ? Create it yourself. Don't serve up a plate of rehashed lore which you then promptly proceed to manipulate into a red herring. I think for me that was the head turning point I could not believe. I mean I love candy, but giving me an ultimatum between twix and kitkat ? How. Very. Dare. You.

You want that real spicy diversity ? Should have done hrothgar entirely or gone with male viera and female hrothgar. The least path of resistance would have been full viera, with that they most likely would not have been hrothgated in customization.

imo, there was no "probably gonna do it". No, it wasn't in the stars at all to begin with and we've gone over the speculation of why many times over in this thread. Look at the state of limitation that the new races are in. Now that sounds like the "probably gonna do it", but probably also not, we'll flip a coin over it but we'll never really say yes or no. Ahah.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

YoshiP can say what YoshiP wants. Public image exists to hide personal opinions especially when it comes to two different cultures, but what's been said has been said and regardless of what comes after whatever was said will always exist in the sore state of male viera. I would like anything except the situation we have now. SE could have decided to create their own race again. I mean this is quite literally a different dimension of FF. You want diversity ? Create it yourself. Don't serve up a plate of rehashed lore which you then promptly proceed to manipulate into a red herring. I think for me that was the head turning point I could not believe. I mean I love candy, but giving me an ultimatum between twix and kitkat ? How. Very. Dare. You.

You want that real spicy diversity ? Should have done hrothgar entirely or gone with male viera and female hrothgar. The least path of resistance would have been full viera, with that they most likely would not have been hrothgated in customization.

imo, there was no "probably gonna do it". No, it wasn't in the stars at all to begin with and we've gone over the speculation of why many times over in this thread. Look at the state of limitation that the new races are in. Now that sounds like the "probably gonna do it", but probably also not, we'll flip a coin over it but we'll never really say yes or no. Ahah.

I was with you for a moment, but then it feels like this literally devolved into "Give me Male Viera"

[Alacran]

This mentality needs to stop...yoshiP already addressed why there is no Male Viera. They didn't have the resources or time for it - IE they were probably gonna do it... but they also wanted to cater to the demand of a Beast Race. So they made 2 races instead of 1, but only had enough time for 1 gender of both. They also did this because it might be the last time they could make any new races because of the amount of time and resources it takes to make them in the fist place...not to mention the time it takes to fit the thousands of Gear Pieces to the models. Adding in the Hrothgar was also a move to give a much more Diverse option in making an avatar...since its the Only Playable Beast Race.

Also.....Monster Hunter World is a Newer and Much Different game with a much different game Engine. Comparing FFXIV to MHW is kind of weird.

And they failed. They gave themselves more work, as much as male Viera was weird to him, now they have to contend with female Hrothgar demand. For a a company known for their "waifus", i have to wonder how they feel about that one now.

I have stayed away from the discussion for a while due to my own vitriol being somewhat more... intense, however using the excuse of there not being enough time or resources is not only tired but flimsy at best. A conscious decision was made to mislead, then ignore a high demand issue made by the player base due to personal discomfort of bunny men.

There are many sorry and unhelpful mentalities that need to stop, discomfort on one persons part should not ruin the enjoyment of a fan base. I want male Viera, i feel that female Viera hair selection limitations were due to not wanting them to have to much over male Horthgar customization, i feel Hrothgar are a mistake and being a limited race (hairstyle unable to change without fantasia is a big indicator of this) was something no one wanted.

In the end, now they have to not only worry about missing genders but missing premium hair styles, exotic body modifications for gear use (Hrothgar male and female), lore for both missing genders, ect... People can claim that we needed a beast race all day, that's fine but i would argue a census of currently active Hrothgar would give the devs something to ponder.

Was it worth it? Now that Hrothgar and Viera can't use earned /mog station bought hair styles, now that their is demand for female Hrothgar as well, now that the question of lessened content of one less dungeon opens oh so important valuable time and resources for those much need additions? By trying circumvent the issue, they shot themselves in the foot.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Was it worth it? Now that Hrothgar and Viera can't use earned /mog station bought hair styles, now that their is demand for female Hrothgar as well, now that the question of lessened content of one less dungeon opens oh so important valuable time and resources for those much need additions? By trying circumvent the issue, they shot themselves in the foot.

Nah, I think they are fine. Im sure they have a plan here that we can't see.
There is negative reception right now, but I have faith that things will get turned around and all of this will just be something we can laugh at in the future.
I chose to believe that, and Ill wait for the future to tell me if Im wrong or not.

[reivaxe]

Really wish this salt would end lol

People, please realize that adding a new race is the most expensive cosmetic thing they could do. Adding in a new race means that every single thing they make that a player character can do or wear is now that much harder. "But the game makes so much money!" yeah, and what? It's still a game that was made in a mad dash to save a dumpster fire of a game with missed up coding, the devs have BEEN hitting their limits on what they can do with this game for sometime now. So I see no reason to think they're bsing when they say it's not an issue that can be solved by just throwing money at it, the way gear works in this game makes it hard to keep adding new player character models.

And what's with this Hrothgar hate? lmao, they're more popular than male elezen according to the most resent census and more popular than the whole Roe race even while having this stupid mane system ... but they don't add diversity cause you don't personally see them as often as cat girls and apparently no one wanted them? kk