Parsing? Drama? ToS? Solution!

[Coatl]

If groups just kick you outright for playing BLM, or you cant form groups because you play BLM, or if you matchmak and people leave because there is a BLM, that doesn't solve anything and it sure as heck doesn't help somebody improve.

Just to clarify, I was referencing the incident with Arthras where he put a BLM on blast for underperforming and received a ban for it. I was not suggesting all BLMs should be kicked.Was Arthras being a dick? Absolutely. But the BLM was not ready to be in that type of the content, whilst being pretty content to hold seven other people back. But you have to walk on eggshells on how you approach people like the BLM. That's the catch 22 here.

If telling a player they are holding everyone puts you in risk of a ban, then why risk it at all.

EDIT: Beat me to it.

SE has tried to set the bar low, they want the game to be inclusive as possible, and they allow tools with a don't ask don't tell policy.

The issue is even with the bar being low, there are people that just fall short. Unfortunately SE designs the raids in such a way where one terrible player can prevent the rest from clearing it.

Do you think SE would have to take some sort of action to continuing protect the much larger casual player base over the much smaller and using non sanctioned tools high end progression group.

Would they take action if it escalated? Hm, maybe but not really. I can’t really see SE policing the community to the extent you are suggesting. There’s so many impossibilities that it just becomes impractical. They would just hammer down the notion of parsing being disallowed and its mention bannable. But that doesn’t really fix any issues. It just creates an environment where you remove potential problems before they happen. Only people hurt are people who want to give people a chance.

I have come to the wish about meters and similar tools. Make the third party tools illegal and the sites that post numbers from them take them down.

There will always be players that underperform so much they hold other people back. Removing parsing won’t change that. Instead of looking at your logs people will just bump the ilevel requirement up astronomically, or look at your lodestone for achievements. The situation would just get worse.

[Hiply]

Just to clarify, I was referencing the incident with Arthras where he put a BLM on blast for underperforming and received a ban for it. I was not suggesting all BLMs should be kicked.Was Arthras being a dick? Absolutely. But the BLM was not ready to be in that type of the content, whilst being pretty content to hold seven other people back. But you have to walk on eggshells on how you approach people like the BLM. That's the catch 22 here.

If telling a player they are holding everyone puts you in risk of a ban, then why risk it at all.

The issue there wasn't letting the BLM know he was holding the party back. The issue was how that was done.

"Hey man, your DPS is pretty low for this encounter and it's hurting the run" - fine

"You !$#@!'ing suck! Look at your numbers (as I show them to the whole world)! You're *&%!'ing awful, do you even play?!?" - banworthy

[Teros]

The issue there wasn't letting the BLM know he was holding the party back. The issue was how that was done.

"Hey man, your DPS is pretty low for this encounter and it's hurting the run" - fine

"You !$#@!'ing suck! Look at your numbers (as I show them to the whole world)! You're *&%!'ing awful, do you even play?!?" - banworthy

do you have the video clip by chance? from what I was told by people that have seen it, "banworthy" was only done on his stream and never in game and so no wouldn't be banworthy IMO. even if the alleged witchhunt happened to me it is grey area because I doubt he told anyone trolling to track the person down, at most they could have asked for it to be taken down.

I have out dps'd a dpser in hades ex as a sch, but before I get upset I check their gear. I have bis, if they have something like ronoak gear I just chalk it up as someone new, might even ask them if they would like some pointers. if they are bis as well, well then ...

[Hiply]

do you have the video clip by chance? from what I was told by people that have seen it, "banworthy" was only done on his stream and never in game and so no wouldn't be banworthy IMO. even if the alleged witchhunt happened to me it is grey area because I doubt he told anyone trolling to track the person down, at most they could have asked for it to be taken down.

I have out dps'd a dpser in hades ex as a sch, but before I get upset I check their gear. I have bis, if they have something like ronoak gear I just chalk it up as someone new, might even ask them if they would like some pointers. if they are bis as well, well then ...

It actually did happen out of game, he displayed the ACT screen on his Twitch stream and tore into the guy by name. If you google "Arthars Banned" you'll get to the info pretty quickly.