Parsing? Drama? ToS? Solution!

[Yeol]

If you’re talking about streamers getting banned, hiding characters names would have solved most issues.

The recent ban was actually because the clip went viral in the JP community and the BLM got harassed because of it.
The clip had to be taken down and the streamer got banned.

If only the clip didn’t spread as much as it did, if the names were hidden.. this ban probably wouldn’t have happened.

You cannot control who sees the clip, but you can blur names in ACT and show initial letters on your screen.

In this case, even if people wanted to find out who the BLM was, they would use someones else footage or go to FFLogs (incase someone uploaded the run).
They will use other resources than the streamers clip = streamer is safe.

Even FFLogs offer players an option to hide their profiles/logs. You cannot use hidden information as proof of anything.

That is why when people complain about other players in a very popular thread here, they will hide names from chat log.

[Driavna]

Gatekeeping isn't good, its part of what creates all these nerfs and weird buffs to things

A rejected person from a party can join another or create one with the requirements that player consider fair. No one can prevent someone else to participate in any content but at the same time, no one can force others to accept them in their parties.

[Mansion]

I don't see this happening. Whenever there is a harder (and not hard, just harder than usual) solo MSQ instance, you'll find forum posts about how this or that needs nerfing. For me it's clear now that the devs want the game to be open to most players, and Savage to be a small niche, with Ultimate even smaller. I don't mind, as long as this content keeps happening and being enjoyable to play.
While in theory gatekeeping would not harm good players, it will not mean people will behave in PF. Some people don't care about logs at all and just want content to be cleared, some people want performance, some people have problems with X or Y jobs... but all these people can clear Savage in the end, so they kind of have to coexist.

The real problem is that people can't behave well in most cases. That's a people problem, not a gameplay problem.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

A rejected person from a party can join another or create one with the requirements that player consider fair. No one can prevent someone else to participate in any content but at the same time, no one can force others to accept them in their parties.

If groups just kick you outright for playing BLM, or you cant form groups because you play BLM, or if you matchmak and people leave because there is a BLM, that doesn't solve anything and it sure as heck doesn't help somebody improve.

[Driavna]

If groups just kick you outright for playing BLM, or you cant form groups because you play BLM, or if you matchmak and people leave because there is a BLM, that doesn't solve anything and it sure as heck doesn't help somebody improve.

Kicking someone because of their class in any party formed via DF is a rare occurrence and nothing to really worry about. In PF some might not want (or prefer) a certain class depending on what the party leader wants. Anyone that disagrees is free to form a new group with their own rules.

Also, players are responsible for themselves and if they perform badly is their fault, no one else.

[Coatl]

If groups just kick you outright for playing BLM, or you cant form groups because you play BLM, or if you matchmak and people leave because there is a BLM, that doesn't solve anything and it sure as heck doesn't help somebody improve.

Just to clarify, I was referencing the incident with Arthras where he put a BLM on blast for underperforming and received a ban for it. I was not suggesting all BLMs should be kicked.Was Arthras being a dick? Absolutely. But the BLM was not ready to be in that type of the content, whilst being pretty content to hold seven other people back. But you have to walk on eggshells on how you approach people like the BLM. That's the catch 22 here.

If telling a player they are holding everyone puts you in risk of a ban, then why risk it at all.

EDIT: Beat me to it.

SE has tried to set the bar low, they want the game to be inclusive as possible, and they allow tools with a don't ask don't tell policy.

The issue is even with the bar being low, there are people that just fall short. Unfortunately SE designs the raids in such a way where one terrible player can prevent the rest from clearing it.

Do you think SE would have to take some sort of action to continuing protect the much larger casual player base over the much smaller and using non sanctioned tools high end progression group.

Would they take action if it escalated? Hm, maybe but not really. I can’t really see SE policing the community to the extent you are suggesting. There’s so many impossibilities that it just becomes impractical. They would just hammer down the notion of parsing being disallowed and its mention bannable. But that doesn’t really fix any issues. It just creates an environment where you remove potential problems before they happen. Only people hurt are people who want to give people a chance.

I have come to the wish about meters and similar tools. Make the third party tools illegal and the sites that post numbers from them take them down.

There will always be players that underperform so much they hold other people back. Removing parsing won’t change that. Instead of looking at your logs people will just bump the ilevel requirement up astronomically, or look at your lodestone for achievements. The situation would just get worse.

[Hiply]

Just to clarify, I was referencing the incident with Arthras where he put a BLM on blast for underperforming and received a ban for it. I was not suggesting all BLMs should be kicked.Was Arthras being a dick? Absolutely. But the BLM was not ready to be in that type of the content, whilst being pretty content to hold seven other people back. But you have to walk on eggshells on how you approach people like the BLM. That's the catch 22 here.

If telling a player they are holding everyone puts you in risk of a ban, then why risk it at all.

The issue there wasn't letting the BLM know he was holding the party back. The issue was how that was done.

"Hey man, your DPS is pretty low for this encounter and it's hurting the run" - fine

"You !$#@!'ing suck! Look at your numbers (as I show them to the whole world)! You're *&%!'ing awful, do you even play?!?" - banworthy

[Teros]

The issue there wasn't letting the BLM know he was holding the party back. The issue was how that was done.

"Hey man, your DPS is pretty low for this encounter and it's hurting the run" - fine

"You !$#@!'ing suck! Look at your numbers (as I show them to the whole world)! You're *&%!'ing awful, do you even play?!?" - banworthy

do you have the video clip by chance? from what I was told by people that have seen it, "banworthy" was only done on his stream and never in game and so no wouldn't be banworthy IMO. even if the alleged witchhunt happened to me it is grey area because I doubt he told anyone trolling to track the person down, at most they could have asked for it to be taken down.

I have out dps'd a dpser in hades ex as a sch, but before I get upset I check their gear. I have bis, if they have something like ronoak gear I just chalk it up as someone new, might even ask them if they would like some pointers. if they are bis as well, well then ...

[Hiply]

do you have the video clip by chance? from what I was told by people that have seen it, "banworthy" was only done on his stream and never in game and so no wouldn't be banworthy IMO. even if the alleged witchhunt happened to me it is grey area because I doubt he told anyone trolling to track the person down, at most they could have asked for it to be taken down.

I have out dps'd a dpser in hades ex as a sch, but before I get upset I check their gear. I have bis, if they have something like ronoak gear I just chalk it up as someone new, might even ask them if they would like some pointers. if they are bis as well, well then ...

It actually did happen out of game, he displayed the ACT screen on his Twitch stream and tore into the guy by name. If you google "Arthars Banned" you'll get to the info pretty quickly.