Parsing? Drama? ToS? Solution!

[Driavna]

Gatekeeping isn't good, its part of what creates all these nerfs and weird buffs to things

A rejected person from a party can join another or create one with the requirements that player consider fair. No one can prevent someone else to participate in any content but at the same time, no one can force others to accept them in their parties.

[Mansion]

I don't see this happening. Whenever there is a harder (and not hard, just harder than usual) solo MSQ instance, you'll find forum posts about how this or that needs nerfing. For me it's clear now that the devs want the game to be open to most players, and Savage to be a small niche, with Ultimate even smaller. I don't mind, as long as this content keeps happening and being enjoyable to play.
While in theory gatekeeping would not harm good players, it will not mean people will behave in PF. Some people don't care about logs at all and just want content to be cleared, some people want performance, some people have problems with X or Y jobs... but all these people can clear Savage in the end, so they kind of have to coexist.

The real problem is that people can't behave well in most cases. That's a people problem, not a gameplay problem.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

A rejected person from a party can join another or create one with the requirements that player consider fair. No one can prevent someone else to participate in any content but at the same time, no one can force others to accept them in their parties.

If groups just kick you outright for playing BLM, or you cant form groups because you play BLM, or if you matchmak and people leave because there is a BLM, that doesn't solve anything and it sure as heck doesn't help somebody improve.

[Driavna]

If groups just kick you outright for playing BLM, or you cant form groups because you play BLM, or if you matchmak and people leave because there is a BLM, that doesn't solve anything and it sure as heck doesn't help somebody improve.

Kicking someone because of their class in any party formed via DF is a rare occurrence and nothing to really worry about. In PF some might not want (or prefer) a certain class depending on what the party leader wants. Anyone that disagrees is free to form a new group with their own rules.

Also, players are responsible for themselves and if they perform badly is their fault, no one else.

[tdb]

This just create new Drama...a Black Mage Main or a BLM player is being denied access to content.
If groups just kick you outright for playing BLM, or you cant form groups because you play BLM, or if you matchmak and people leave because there is a BLM, that doesn't solve anything and it sure as heck doesn't help somebody improve.
Gatekeeping isn't good, its part of what creates all these nerfs and weird buffs to things

She meant checking fflogs for this particular player who happened to be a BLM, not discriminating against BLMs in general.

[Coatl]

If groups just kick you outright for playing BLM, or you cant form groups because you play BLM, or if you matchmak and people leave because there is a BLM, that doesn't solve anything and it sure as heck doesn't help somebody improve.

Just to clarify, I was referencing the incident with Arthras where he put a BLM on blast for underperforming and received a ban for it. I was not suggesting all BLMs should be kicked.Was Arthras being a dick? Absolutely. But the BLM was not ready to be in that type of the content, whilst being pretty content to hold seven other people back. But you have to walk on eggshells on how you approach people like the BLM. That's the catch 22 here.

If telling a player they are holding everyone puts you in risk of a ban, then why risk it at all.

EDIT: Beat me to it.

SE has tried to set the bar low, they want the game to be inclusive as possible, and they allow tools with a don't ask don't tell policy.

The issue is even with the bar being low, there are people that just fall short. Unfortunately SE designs the raids in such a way where one terrible player can prevent the rest from clearing it.

Do you think SE would have to take some sort of action to continuing protect the much larger casual player base over the much smaller and using non sanctioned tools high end progression group.

Would they take action if it escalated? Hm, maybe but not really. I can’t really see SE policing the community to the extent you are suggesting. There’s so many impossibilities that it just becomes impractical. They would just hammer down the notion of parsing being disallowed and its mention bannable. But that doesn’t really fix any issues. It just creates an environment where you remove potential problems before they happen. Only people hurt are people who want to give people a chance.

I have come to the wish about meters and similar tools. Make the third party tools illegal and the sites that post numbers from them take them down.

There will always be players that underperform so much they hold other people back. Removing parsing won’t change that. Instead of looking at your logs people will just bump the ilevel requirement up astronomically, or look at your lodestone for achievements. The situation would just get worse.

[Halivel]

I personally don't see how this instanced striking dummy is different from SSS except some little adjustments. This dummy still means nothing in terms of being able to do the battle properly, because you know what?
Striking dummy and SSS do not teach you anything. It only checks if you are able to pass dps check in theory. That's all.
It's one thing to pass dps check on static doll that doesn't hit you and completely another to do your best with action happening around you with all Force Majeures as well (that do happen even in most good parties).
There is no way to prevent high end content from having unskilled players there, because not even the best simulator will teach you the real battle with 7 people beside you.

[Teros]

I would love to have a setting in party finder that you can only join a high end party if you can cleared SSS in x time, or allow folks to join that parse blue and above.

These last few days PF has been garbage with parties barely able to pass content, dps and mechanically. Just because you were carried to your first clear does not mean I have to waste time trying to continue to carry you. Your grey/green parses do nothing but lower my game experience, how is that fair to me when I just want to farm stuff. why do we need to carter to lowest common denominator. if they want to play casually and grey/green, great, form a party just like everyone else. Parse is a tool, and while not the end all be all factor, it does assist in gauging someones potential.

[Trainwreck81]

I know this isn't a complete solution, but what if they used the trust system introduced in ShB for raids and Ex trials. That way people can go in and learn the actual fight without affecting anyone else. You wouldn't get gear drops, but maybe some tomes (as an incentive to do it). You would have to clear each difficulty to be able to queue for it in PF or roulette. I'm not a developer, but that doesn't seem too hard to do. They already have all the systems in place.

[Nedkel]

Personal performance is not the problem, but failing at mechanics and failing to dodge properly.