I'm not excited about the future patch at all. Just one dungeon?

[Sated]

Cool, I'm one of those WoW players, and I definitely don't want Mythic+ system in FFXIV.

Agreed. Mythic+ is (among other reasons) part of why I stopped caring about PvE in WoW, which in turn is part of why I stopped playing altogether.

A big part of why I'm here now is because FFXIV puts more emphasis on the things I do care about, instead of throwing so much of their back into instanced PvE.

[Omymy]

A big part of why I'm here now is because FFXIV puts more emphasis on the things I do care about, instead of throwing so much of their back into instanced PvE.

Furniture, glamour and mog station items?

[Sated]

Furniture, glamour and mog station items?

Replace mog station with MSQ and that's a hard yes.

[Omymy]

Replace mog station with MSQ and that's a hard yes.

So a few MSQ is better than a consistant end-game content who also takes advantage of the potential and effort put into the dungeons created.

Well, after the 2B butt topic, the truth is, nothing surprises me here.

[ForteNightshade]

Replace mog station with MSQ and that's a hard yes.

While the MSQ is far and above what WoW offers. It also has zero longevity since once you've finished the story, well, you've seen all it has to offer. Mythic+ styled dungeons would give us something to do for the following months. One of the biggest complaints towards FFXIV is the lack of longevity on content.

Dungeons nowadays have become such a joke, it's laughable. I've had eight vulnerability stacks on the last boss of Grand Cosmos and it still can't drop me to 50%. At that point, why even bother dodging mechanics I know have zero chance of actually hurting me? This is where Mythic+ would come into play for people looking for a challenge at a more comfortable pace. I certainly don't need Savage or Ultimate dungeons but having something where I have to pay attention would be nice.

[Sated]

It also has zero longevity since once you've finished the story, well, you've seen all it has to offer.

That's kinda how I feel about dungeons, actually - after I've done it once to understand why it's relevant to the story there's not really a reason for me to go back, except maybe eventually for nostalgia or if RNG is holding a neat dungeon glam ransom. I'm finding my third play through of ShB more engaging than daily EX.

Working on my fishing log, doing beast tribe quests on my alt, crafting for glam, doing misc side quests, there's a lot of stuff I enjoy more; as it is I only go to EX if friends ask, because it's not like I need phant. It's just not a part of the game I enjoy doing so I'm glad they're adding a lot more than dungeon content, while still supporting dungeon content.

[linay]

While the MSQ is far and above what WoW offers. It also has zero longevity since once you've finished the story, well, you've seen all it has to offer. Mythic+ styled dungeons would give us something to do for the following months. One of the biggest complaints towards FFXIV is the lack of longevity on content.

Dungeons nowadays have become such a joke, it's laughable. I've had eight vulnerability stacks on the last boss of Grand Cosmos and it still can't drop me to 50%. At that point, why even bother dodging mechanics I know have zero chance of actually hurting me? This is where Mythic+ would come into play for people looking for a challenge at a more comfortable pace. I certainly don't need Savage or Ultimate dungeons but having something where I have to pay attention would be nice.

A more challenging dungeon doesn't have to be in the form of Mythic+ system.

As for content longevity, that depends on each player, as I have no issue finding enough things to do that I enjoy in FFXIV to keep a subscription going throughout the expansion.

[Shurrikhan]

A more challenging dungeon doesn't have to be in the form of Mythic+ system.

To be fair, "Mythic+ styled dungeons" are just ones that are designed with later scaling in mind. It faintly constrains the mechanics they can put it (or, really, how they put those mechanics in, in order to avoid unintended effects later), but massively saves on development costs in retailoring the dungeon if/when it's scaled.


Tangential:

A "Mythic+ styled system" similarly would just be any system which reuses dungeons to create large amounts of playtime at granular difficulty levels (largely to reach and engage more strata of players) at low development cost. It doesn't mean you need to have affixes. It doesn't mean you have to have the later-period WoW dungeon consistency of a few trash pulls and then a boss, a few trash pulls and then a boss (the complaints for which are likewise oddly familiar)?

There are things XIV has done wrong in following on WoW's heels -- which was by no means part and parcel only of the reboot; most ways in which XIV has "refined" its design over time will look painfully familiar to WoW's, save for WoW's most recent waves of "un-pruning" jobs while XIV has gone in the opposite direction as if just one design paradigm behind -- nor by arriving at the same errant conclusions in its own way. But, there are simple improvements, be they in UI, auxiliary features like transmog/glamour, or reiterative systems that at least show XIV has obviously lucrative ways to improve itself.

It's not that "we need Mythic+" so much as just "we could use more midcore content, preferably in a way that has low periodic development costs, and prefereably in a way that makes it feel like we almost always have something to do worth doing even if we don't like crafting/gathering/omnileveling".

[SturmChurro]

Furniture, glamour and mog station items?

I couldn't care less about furniture, but glamour and mogstation items yes please! This game needs more mogstation outfits.

So a few MSQ is better than a consistant end-game content who also takes advantage of the potential and effort put into the dungeons created.

Well, after the 2B butt topic, the truth is, nothing surprises me here.

The dungeons suck anyway, only cool the first time. Not the 50th. Unless it drops cool outfits.

[Omymy]

I couldn't care less about furniture, but glamour and mogstation items yes please! This game needs more mogstation outfits.

The dungeons suck anyway, only cool the first time. Not the 50th. Unless it drops cool outfits.

Yeah, nothing like 20 euros sets to keep the game alive and with fresh content.