I'm not excited about the future patch at all. Just one dungeon?

[Angus-Beef]

I'm not particularly worried about the amount of dungeons my grief is with the core functionality and fun of jobs like Scholar have been nothing short of regressing since end of Heavensward. If just the act of starting a fight is good then I can take any scripted and gated dungeon any day, rewards is then just a bonus if I get to bring a fun job into the place.

So if I got this right going over the summaries. They spent several minutes at the start of these prestige Live Letters, filling paragrpahs, on the intrcacies and technical background on rendering of the glute glam and they cant be even be half-assed to spare one breath to utter "we ll look into it" on the endless issues with Scholars moment to moment encounter design. Who the hell passes on these status notes to the devs? Is it some executive order caused by space rays: "Ignore any and all requests to not make these jobs an absolute drudge to play." Every oppertunity has been there to mention the thousands of posts since 5.0 to say anything and they pull no particular "job adjustments". This particular fecal matter is not something solved with potency changes, this needs saws, welders and duct tape.

Did any living person at SE try any MSQ or solo quest with Scholar since 5.0? Or play the job at all? How the bell can they be cool with this and still not say a single word. What if they announced BLM next patch only had Fire IV 2.5 cast and Lightning 30s dot, nothing more at 80. Or PLD had Holy Spirit, TE and Goring Blade. No combos, no LeyLines or Enochan, no FoF or Requestacat for eighty soddin levels. Of course that wouldnt fly. Itd be fucking boring. Which is what nobody gets, for all jobs except three. So why are jobs like Sch, whm and asts requests for more varied offense and playstyle or when asked to be restored to glory, or simply ask to be acknowledged handwaved and ignored. Being so far up butts, their own and 2P's, they dont even have decency to give a canned "Nothing planned for now, please understand." If these jobs did something or talked smack while drunk then SE please say what needs to be done to win your frienship again because you treating as we're invisible and you are being unrational and cuely silent.

Ngl u sound salty, just dont play SCH and move on tbh, or quit.

[Vahlnir]

I don't think you know what that means.



No I would say it was pretty much immediate.

The Horde allying with cannibalistic undead is the first time I was like "oh no" and that got announced before the game was even in beta. It gets worse when you consider they were the exact same humans who used to enslave them and then they're angry at the Stormwind humans who had nothing to do with that. You can handwave it as a lot of the Horde finding it questionable as well, but at the end of the day it was just the first example of WoW's continuity taking a backseat to gameplay concessions, since they wanted one of the four main races from WC3 to be represented somehow and they wanted orc vs human racial tensions.

Why were we fighting Illidan in TBC again? Why did the Argent Crusade decide to set up shop on Arthas's doorstep and make a big tournament where their allies kill each other and then were shocked when both of those things turned out badly?

Shame about Mists of Pandaria, though. The pandaren and sha lore was really creative and a huge breath of fresh air, but it took a backseat to everyone being surprised when the warmonger Thrall installed on the throne started causing wars.

We will have to agree to disagree by the looks of things.

[Omymy]

As for crafting lets talk about FF requiring you to lvl, understand how to increase quality and and being competent enough to make the macro, vs WoW gutting their Crafting system into not being able to sell anything usefull you make, taking away player agency, completely destroying the games economy and making it impossible to make gold with crafting if ur not an alchemist or cook, and even then, the world PvP system which makes you HAVE to keep it on making it damn near impossible to gather without getting PK'd

You can lvl a crafter class just doing collectables with a macro and 0 difficult. Old recipes can be make with a simple button and the new ones just need NQ materials and the macro key. What are you talking about, lol, oh, and lets talk about BOTS and "people" undercutting each 5 minutes.

"the world PvP system which makes you HAVE to keep it on making it damn near impossible to gather without getting PK'd", you can put World PvP off in the capital city, "mythic raider".

[Omymy]

I don't think you know what that means.



No I would say it was pretty much immediate.

The Horde allying with cannibalistic undead is the first time I was like "oh no" and that got announced before the game was even in beta. It gets worse when you consider they were the exact same humans who used to enslave them and then they're angry at the Stormwind humans who had nothing to do with that. You can handwave it as a lot of the Horde finding it questionable as well, but at the end of the day it was just the first example of WoW's continuity taking a backseat to gameplay concessions, since they wanted one of the four main races from WC3 to be represented somehow and they wanted orc vs human racial tensions.

Why were we fighting Illidan in TBC again? Why did the Argent Crusade decide to set up shop on Arthas's doorstep and make a big tournament where their allies kill each other and then were shocked when both of those things turned out badly?

Shame about Mists of Pandaria, though. The pandaren and sha lore was really creative and a huge breath of fresh air, but it took a backseat to everyone being surprised when the warmonger Thrall installed on the throne started causing wars.

Why were we fighting Illidan on TBC again?

Illidan for everyone's eyes is a member of the Burning Legion. The last time he was in Azeroth, he talked to Malfurion and told him he had new teachers (Kil'jaeden). After this, in Kalimdor there were quite a few attacks by Illidan Nagas on Elf settlements leaving demonic traces (Illidan was looking for a way to kill Arthas by order of Kil'jaeden). When Arthas finally left him half dead, he retired to Outland where:

A) He enslaved almost all the Horde that remained alive in the planet so that they were his soldiers, giving them demonic blood in vein, turning them into vile monsters.

B) He seized the largest source of water of what was left of the planet to use its resources to continue creating weapons and engrosando his army, without caring if what was left of the planet exploited

C) He took control of many of Outland's demons, making them work for him.

What the inhabitants of Azeroth didn't know was that Illidan was already planning to betray Kil'jaeden, (Up to this point, everything can be known by playing warcraft 3) and that, in fact, when they were attacking him, he had already made several assaults against important worlds of the legion. Illidan's plans remained for himself, because he knew that anyone could betray him, so Akama, precisely because of this lack of knowledge, ended up betraying him.
So, for our eyes, Illidan was, in the worst case, a member of the legion, and in the best case, a dictator who was destroying a planet by power.

You are welcome.

[Angus-Beef]

You can lvl a crafter class just doing collectables with a macro and 0 difficult. Old recipes can be make with a simple button and the new ones just need NQ materials and the macro key. What are you talking about, lol, oh, and lets talk about BOTS and "people" undercutting each 5 minutes.

"the world PvP system which makes you HAVE to keep it on making it damn near impossible to gather without getting PK'd", you can put World PvP off in the capital city, "mythic raider".

I don't Bot for one, 2 you obviously haven't crafted Max lvl then because you have to do Max lvl crafting manually, macros will ruin them, and What does turning off War Mode in main cities have to do with gathering Mats, stop making none answers.

also yes I did Mythic all tiers, I enjoy a challenge.

Edit: Without Warmode gathering was/is/will be a slog, the 10-30% buff was to good to not have War Mode on when gathering. To which again, people would PK, which again Made it an even bigger slog

[linay]

Cool, thats why they have more players.

Cool, I'm one of those WoW players, and I definitely don't want Mythic+ system in FFXIV.

[Zakon]

You are welcome.

Right, the retconned version to explain why we're allying with him again in Legion.

Because they definitely had that planned all along, and it was all well told within the game's story and not something people had to put together over time. Which is why Illidan was trying to destroy Shattrath because... reasons. And why Akama wanted to rebel against him.

Which is really all just to explain why his character got destroyed between TFT and BC in order to make him a raid boss because he has name recognition.

[Rilifane]

Right, the retconned version to explain why we're allying with him again in Legion.

Because they definitely had that planned all along, and it was all well told within the game's story and not something people had to put together over time. Which is why Illidan was trying to destroy Shattrath because... reasons. And why Akama wanted to rebel against him.

Which is really all just to explain why his character got destroyed between TFT and BC in order to make him a raid boss because he has name recognition.

Uhh... most of this was said during the Outlands quests + BT pre. You just have to read quest texts.
I didn't play Warcraft 3, I didn't spent hours browsing the internet for information as I was still fairly "new" to WoW by the time BC hit and I knew almost all of what he explained. Many quests not directly related to Illidan or part of the BT-pre gave a lot of background information.

[Hanayumi]

I dunno, I'm pretty alright losing a dungeon, they're not very interesting after the 1st couple of clears and just turn into a speed runs. Devs said they're going to change focus to new content anyway so won't really be losing out from what it seems. Anyway, take a break, I'm currently doing such now, I just pop in to do dailies when I can then jump onto another game. Devs want folks to take breaks/take it slow, they really hate when people blow thru there content. >.<

[Zakon]

Uhh... most of this was said during the Outlands quests + BT pre. You just have to read quest texts.
I didn't play Warcraft 3, I didn't spent hours browsing the internet for information as I was still fairly "new" to WoW by the time BC hit and I knew almost all of what he explained. Many quests not directly related to Illidan or part of the BT-pre gave a lot of background information.

No what you saw was the setup he was describing where it looks like Illidan is a crazy dictator, the retcon is that he actually wasn't which was in Legion. By all accounts he had gone mad in BC, but in one of the most confusing means possible. The explanation barely excuses it because it makes the whole thing into a massive misunderstanding that could have been solved if anybody had tried to talk to anybody else. I mean Kael'thas got an even worse character assassination between TFT and BC and he never got a redemption arc later on.

I'm not going to post anymore because this is quickly derailing the thread into a topic that's not related to FF14 at all.