Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[SturmChurro]

Well, I must say female viera and male hrotgar are extremely dissapointing themselves. I just hope that both you and us can by please by when 6.0 comes, but after seeing how SE is managing their decission making lately I too wouldnt hold out too much hope. At least I do like female miqo'te so shrug*

This is a new look for you. I remember you as a midlander dude in makeup and dresses, but miqo'te female is a good look too.

Even with new hairs they don't have support for viera, nor with outfits. They seem to give the minimum effort possible when it comes to viera/hrothgar. Maybe they will surprise us one of these patches with some big viera/hrothgar update..

[Crushnight]

I'm still going to support but I also don't care (much) if they don't especially with how they have handled female Viera and male Hrothgar, if they get added with the same (if not worse) limitations i would probably see how they are get disgruntled for being too limited, with no information when some limitations might be eased(this is the real kicker for me i'd rather have bad news than no news ala Paris fanfest debacle) and sitch to another male character again.

[zeylos]

This is a new look for you. I remember you as a midlander dude in makeup and dresses, but miqo'te female is a good look too.

Even with new hairs they don't have support for viera, nor with outfits. They seem to give the minimum effort possible when it comes to viera/hrothgar. Maybe they will surprise us one of these patches with some big viera/hrothgar update..

I really like female miqote animations and male hyur was boring. Plus male characetrs sadly cant wear a lot of cool outfits. I even considered female viera but I absolutely cant play without hats

[VirusOnline]

That's not a fair comparison to make.

Your D&D GM doesn't say "no" to your wild ideas for character customisation because they have no reason to do so. The process is restricted - and the character defined - only by your imagination.

This game is starting from an entirely different point. Each basic character has to be pre-conceived and modelled by the programmers before you can play as it. There will always be restrictions whether male Viera is within them or not - you can't just dream up any character idea and expect to be able to play as it.

It's more like if your GM had a box of pre-made figurines and said you could only play as a character based on them.

Sure you can say it's starting for a different point, but the concept remains the same.
SE starts from here where races are not locked to gender (they made a point to unlock genders and continue it with AuRa). They added AuRa with counterparts as well. Can we not assume that they will keep with the status quo ? Or is the GM to throw us a curve ball ?

Start where you want. Only requirement is be consistent or your playerbase will start to press x.

[zeylos]

Sure you can say it's starting for a different point, but the concept remains the same.
SE starts from here where races are not locked to gender (they made a point to unlock genders and continue it with AuRa). They added AuRa with counterparts as well. Can we not assume that they will keep with the status quo ? Or is the GM to throw us a curve ball ?

Start where you want. Only requirement is be consistent or your playerbase will start to press x.

The devs didnt say anything though. They never said male viera but they also didnt even hint we werent getting them (if anything, it was the other way arround) so this was just not done. Lying can also be done by avoiding to put some information out

[Iscah]

Sure you can say it's starting for a different point, but the concept remains the same.
SE starts from here where races are not locked to gender (they made a point to unlock genders and continue it with AuRa). They added AuRa with counterparts as well. Can we not assume that they will keep with the status quo ? Or is the GM to throw us a curve ball ?

Start where you want. Only requirement is be consistent or your playerbase will start to press x.

Your GM apologised - they could only afford to buy two more character figurines, and they figured more of the group would like to use the female Viera than the matching Hrothgar.

The consistency (if we can extrapolate consistency from two instances) is that every second expansion has introduced one new male and female character design. It might be different if another male-and-female race was released alongside Au Ra, and they announced two races here and only later admitted to it being a "split race" with a total of two new designs instead of four.

They handled the announcement poorly. They should have communicated better. There are reasons why they 'should' be added (and apparently reasons why they can't). But it's still not the same as arguing male Viera should have been included "because we'd be free to create them in D&D where we can invent any character concept we like" - the logic doesn't hold. It's a moveable goalpost. If they introduced male Viera and female Hrothgar tomorrow, you could say "why can't I play as a Lupin? Or an escaped Allagan experiment? My D&D GM would let me do that."

The game will never be able to give you the freedom of creating whatever character you want, so it's not a good argument for why male Viera should be available - regardless of whether they should be or not.

[VirusOnline]

Your GM apologised - they could only afford to buy two more character figurines, and they figured more of the group would like to use the female Viera than the matching Hrothgar.

The consistency (if we can extrapolate consistency from two instances) is that every second expansion has introduced one new male and female character design. It might be different if another male-and-female race was released alongside Au Ra, and they announced two races here and only later admitted to it being a "split race" with a total of two new designs instead of four.

They handled the announcement poorly. They should have communicated better. There are reasons why they 'should' be added (and apparently reasons why they can't). But it's still not the same as arguing male Viera should have been included "because we'd be free to create them in D&D where we can invent any character concept we like" - the logic doesn't hold. It's a moveable goalpost. If they introduced male Viera and female Hrothgar tomorrow, you could say "why can't I play as a Lupin? Or an escaped Allagan experiment? My D&D GM would let me do that."

The game will never be able to give you the freedom of creating whatever character you want, so it's not a good argument for why male Viera should be available - regardless of whether they should be or not.

Therein lies the problem that the GM indeed figured more of the group would prefer Viera. And they aren't wrong, and nothing is wrong with this calculation.

I think you might be taking my comparison a bit too literal. The context is followed from the person I responded to originally, more in relation of how character customization is incredibly important to us, perhaps a bit more so to those who enjoy playing an exclusive gender. But I don't mind explaining my thought process. In a known universe, where players are given as you say a static set of personnes to play, this is fine. We know our world, both its limits and its openness, and we begin to form inferences on future expansion of said world from thereon. We are only talking about the current state of races available to play in our known world, not the hypothetical of "when Lupin", but instead "we have viera, why not male ?". My comparison is more in relation to the context of lore and available genders, the two factors being manipulated here. Manipulated for the sake of an excuse essentially. In a tabletop, the excuse of a race being unavailable because said tags rare and elusive is like deleting an entire stack of hq robe lettuce salad. Yet the several WoL Miqo'te Male (btw I am the true WoL ;P) are lounging about in Limsa.

For those of us who play exclusively one gender, it can be extremely underwhelming and disheartening. Character customisation matters to people if the threads in general are anything to show for.

[RikkCavalier]

Please add Male Viera! Even though people are complaining about the hairstyles for female Viera, the overall response to female Viera have been great. I would venture to say that the addition of male Viera would be similar! Thanks for all your hard work devs!

[Khalithar]

The lore excuse does bug me, especially considering there are Viera on the first and on the source. So... Viera society in alternate dimensions advanced exactly the same in their relations between the males and females with no difference? I find that a little hard to believe. Especially in light of a world destroying calamity. =/

[SturmChurro]

Please add Male Viera! Even though people are complaining about the hairstyles for female Viera, the overall response to female Viera have been great. I would venture to say that the addition of male Viera would be similar! Thanks for all your hard work devs!

Let's hope the addition isn't similar! Don't worry! They aren't working on it! No thanks necessary!