Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[SturmChurro]

But at the same time if their choice is no then people can move on and maybe decide if they still want to continue playing the game, while them saying yes could be a way for us to remind them about that promise. With a "maybe" they could simply just never do it and we are stuck in the cycle of disappointement and hope.

Quit the game over male viera though? I mean, I'm just saying if not having male viera - that was never in the game beforehand - makes someone not want to continue playing the game then I don't think they really liked the game to begin with.

[Kobalos]

Quit the game over male viera though? I mean, I'm just saying if not having male viera - that was never in the game beforehand - makes someone not want to continue playing the game then I don't think they really liked the game to begin with.

Agreed - I don't like gender locks and am still a little dissapointed that thats the route FF desided to go, would I quit the game over it? Of course not I do think folks are over reacting just a wee bit...

[Alleo]

Quit the game over male viera though? I mean, I'm just saying if not having male viera - that was never in the game beforehand - makes someone not want to continue playing the game then I don't think they really liked the game to begin with.

Everyone has their own reasons for why they play the game. Maybe someone just really dislikes gender locks and with no hope of getting it removed they say that they dont want to continue giving SE money. Some dont like microtransactions and might stop playing a game they like because they dont want to give more money to such a company. Heck quite a few people stopped their subs on WoW because of something the company did outside the game.

Maybe others are already just on the point of no return and are waiting for the decision on gender locks to see if they want to still play it.

In the end there are lots of reasons why someone might stop and even if we cant understand that reasons doesnt make them wrong for the person itself. And it does not mean that they have never liked the game..it just means that too much might have happened for them to not like it anymore.

[Halivel]

Quit the game over male viera though? I mean, I'm just saying if not having male viera - that was never in the game beforehand - makes someone not want to continue playing the game then I don't think they really liked the game to begin with.

One friend of mine said once in a discussion about 1.0 and its missing genders that if male Miqo'te weren't a thing he wouldn't play the game (and he actually dropped it in 1.0 but then came back in 2.0 and still plays). So... as much as it could sound weird for you or me or somebody else, there are people for whom this can be critically important, since different people have different priorities. Not like they would do big amount of people, but still. Your point about liking the game overall is at right, actually, it's just that somebody pays more attention to customization options than to other things. I mean, customization is still a content, and I even had games I left because I didn't like their style (yes, they had other issues for me as well, but at this point they couldn't keep my attention even visually).

[zeylos]

One friend of mine said once in a discussion about 1.0 and its missing genders that if male Miqo'te weren't a thing he wouldn't play the game (and he actually dropped it in 1.0 but then came back in 2.0 and still plays). So... as much as it could sound weird for you or me or somebody else, there are people for whom this can be critically important, since different people have different priorities. Not like they would do big amount of people, but still. Your point about liking the game overall is at right, actually, it's just that somebody pays more attention to customization options than to other things. I mean, customization is still a content, and I even had games I left because I didn't like their style (yes, they had other issues for me as well, but at this point they couldn't keep my attention even visually).

I wouldnt drop out because of no male viera but male viera would make me play a lot more since I'd most liekly like a lot more how my char looks

[Destati]

One friend of mine said once in a discussion about 1.0 and its missing genders that if male Miqo'te weren't a thing he wouldn't play the game (and he actually dropped it in 1.0 but then came back in 2.0 and still plays). So... as much as it could sound weird for you or me or somebody else, there are people for whom this can be critically important, since different people have different priorities. Not like they would do big amount of people, but still. Your point about liking the game overall is at right, actually, it's just that somebody pays more attention to customization options than to other things. I mean, customization is still a content, and I even had games I left because I didn't like their style (yes, they had other issues for me as well, but at this point they couldn't keep my attention even visually).

As ridiculous as this might sound the one thing that outright killed my interest in playing FFXI years ago was the fact that male Mithra were not available. It would have been the same with FFXIV since I noticed they "reused" the races here until I learned that Miqo'te had playable male counterparts. I have no idea what I was missing out on with FFXI, but I don't play female characters and none of the other races really interested me so I didn't touch it. Character customization can be a huge make or break component in games for me.

[VirusOnline]

As ridiculous as this might sound the one thing that outright killed my interest in playing FFXI years ago was the fact that male Mithra were not available. It would have been the same with FFXIV since I noticed they "reused" the races here until I learned that Miqo'te had playable male counterparts. I have no idea what I was missing out on with FFXI, but I don't play female characters and none of the other races really interested me so I didn't touch it. Character customization can be a huge make or break component in games for me.

This isn't a ridiculous notion at all. This is an mmorpg. 'RPG'. I mean think D&D and such tabletop games from where this all originates from. We create these complex characters in all stats, story, background, race, gender, how they look. We customized characters from every single aspect and some go down to every single nuance. In such games, we can become that rare elusive race. The GM doesn't say 'no, impossible', SE here being the GM that does. As testament to this thread, many hundred or the hundreds of thousands playing mmo and rpgs will agree that customization and gameplay often go hand in hand.

I also exclusively play male characters only. I was ecstatic when I found this game in HW and found no gender restrictions.

SE sorta jumped off the narrative here and sailing straight into hmmmm territory.

[Iscah]

This isn't a ridiculous notion at all. This is an mmorpg. 'RPG'. I mean think D&D and such tabletop games from where this all originates from. We create these complex characters in all stats, story, background, race, gender, how they look. We customized characters from every single aspect and some go down to every single nuance. In such games, we can become that rare elusive race. The GM doesn't say 'no, impossible', SE here being the GM that does.

That's not a fair comparison to make.

Your D&D GM doesn't say "no" to your wild ideas for character customisation because they have no reason to do so. The process is restricted - and the character defined - only by your imagination.

This game is starting from an entirely different point. Each basic character has to be pre-conceived and modelled by the programmers before you can play as it. There will always be restrictions whether male Viera is within them or not - you can't just dream up any character idea and expect to be able to play as it.

It's more like if your GM had a box of pre-made figurines and said you could only play as a character based on them.

[VirusOnline]

That's not a fair comparison to make.

Your D&D GM doesn't say "no" to your wild ideas for character customisation because they have no reason to do so. The process is restricted - and the character defined - only by your imagination.

This game is starting from an entirely different point. Each basic character has to be pre-conceived and modelled by the programmers before you can play as it. There will always be restrictions whether male Viera is within them or not - you can't just dream up any character idea and expect to be able to play as it.

It's more like if your GM had a box of pre-made figurines and said you could only play as a character based on them.

Sure you can say it's starting for a different point, but the concept remains the same.
SE starts from here where races are not locked to gender (they made a point to unlock genders and continue it with AuRa). They added AuRa with counterparts as well. Can we not assume that they will keep with the status quo ? Or is the GM to throw us a curve ball ?

Start where you want. Only requirement is be consistent or your playerbase will start to press x.

[zeylos]

Sure you can say it's starting for a different point, but the concept remains the same.
SE starts from here where races are not locked to gender (they made a point to unlock genders and continue it with AuRa). They added AuRa with counterparts as well. Can we not assume that they will keep with the status quo ? Or is the GM to throw us a curve ball ?

Start where you want. Only requirement is be consistent or your playerbase will start to press x.

The devs didnt say anything though. They never said male viera but they also didnt even hint we werent getting them (if anything, it was the other way arround) so this was just not done. Lying can also be done by avoiding to put some information out