Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Amnmaat]

I would have prefered full lupin over hroth/viera. We already had a cat race in game so to me, it was an odd choice to add another cat race, just bigger. And if they would have added full ronso, it just would have been the same as hroth, just smaller.

While im happy with hroth, i would have liked if maybe male hroth had female rougadyn body type. The whole barrel chest haunched over looks odd, but when they do stand upright, they look ok.

But then you couldn't draw Elders Scrolls/GW2 players over.
Understand...

But I get what you mean, sadly they forced XIV's dev team into this mistake where we end up with really weird/limited races; no hair, no helmets/hats, roegadyn body, instead of Lupin (whom they cited as to why they wanted to add an animal race).
I guess I'll rephrase the quesiton. Would female and male Viera supportes would have preferred full Lupin race instead of what we got? I'd say yes, full Lupin with badass female Lupin would've added real flavor, compared to the half-race we got with Viera/Hrothgar.

[zeylos]

I would have prefered full lupin over hroth/viera. We already had a cat race in game so to me, it was an odd choice to add another cat race, just bigger. And if they would have added full ronso, it just would have been the same as hroth, just smaller.

While im happy with hroth, i would have liked if maybe male hroth had female rougadyn body type. The whole barrel chest haunched over looks odd, but when they do stand upright, they look ok.

I don't get just why they did hrotgar males the way they did. They took the most unpopular race in the game, added new textures and head, edited their animations and expected them to be popular. I just wish we had gotten a cool looking fierce/ primal looking beast race which, other than in female hrotgar, has almsot 0 chance of happening right now. Also hrotgar males look kinda like roes in well designed fursuits? Oh, and one thing I've noticed is hat while their body type is different than roes, whenever you equip gear, u just go back to the refrigerator build. Very dissapoining if u ask me. I think female viera even if they cant wear headwear or have limited options are very well done in their animations and the model itself, which is one of the reason why I would've prefered male viera over male hrotgar. Imo, it would have certainly been good if they just gave us lupin as well, many people wanted them too

[Allegor]

I don't get just why they did hrotgar males the way they did. They took the most unpopular race in the game, added new textures and head, edited their animations and expected them to be popular.

You do realize that's exactly the same for female Elezen/Viera, right? I'm not gonna defend Hrothgar as perfect, they could've definitely been done better, but to say they're a lousy race choice, and lousily done, while Viera are all good and dandy is a flat out lie.

[LaylaTsarra]

You do realize that's exactly the same for female Elezen/Viera, right? I'm not gonna defend Hrothgar as perfect, they could've definitely been done better, but to say they're a lousy race choice, and lousily done, while Viera are all good and dandy is a flat out lie.

Both races are extremely popular from what i see. Obviously Viera are more but that was to be expected. Even with the current limitations they are still used by many. Relative to the missing genders I think those will never see the light of day given we haven't even been able to get hair/helm additions and the xpac is already half done.

One has to wonder if we'll get to see any additions/modifications to the new races with 5.3. Given the patch and expected xpac will be late I don't think that bodes well for any new race additions even if they had been contemplated.

I'm not opposed to the addition of the missing genders I love racial variety in this game but nothing points to their being able to even deal with the current additions.

[zeylos]

Both races are extremely popular from what i see. Obviously Viera are more but that was to be expected. Even with the current limitations they are still used by many. Relative to the missing genders I think those will never see the light of day given we haven't even been able to get hair/helm additions and the xpac is already half done.

One has to wonder if we'll get to see any additions/modifications to the new races with 5.3. Given the patch and expected xpac will be late I don't think that bodes well for any new race additions even if they had been contemplated.

I'm not opposed to the addition of the missing genders I love racial variety in this game but nothing points to their being able to even deal with the current additions.

I don't see male hrotgar being popular at all, they're one of the least popular races.
I don't think we will get helmets and thigns like that until 6.0, that combined with missing genders makes for a very good selling point

[Sei_Konsetsu]

But then you couldn't draw Elders Scrolls/GW2 players over.
Understand...

But I get what you mean, sadly they forced XIV's dev team into this mistake where we end up with really weird/limited races; no hair, no helmets/hats, roegadyn body, instead of Lupin (whom they cited as to why they wanted to add an animal race).
I guess I'll rephrase the quesiton. Would female and male Viera supportes would have preferred full Lupin race instead of what we got? I'd say yes, full Lupin with badass female Lupin would've added real flavor, compared to the half-race we got with Viera/Hrothgar.

I honestly dont understand why so many wanted viera so hard in the first place. Its honestly just another human with animal ears. We already have human, human with long neck, human with dragon horns and scales, human with cat ears and cat tail, and humanized potato. As much as i wish we had gotten lupin, at least hroth isnt just big human with cat ears and tail, while viera is just human with bunny ears.

"But hroth is just roe with cat ears" Yes and no, its roe with a unique head that looks nothing like anything else in the game. I hope we get lupin some day, or maybe lupin head and tail for hroth or something.

Also, again, im not saying im aginst male viera, before anyone comes at me with that. Im fine with them being added, but i still stand firmly that they need to at least finish male hroth and female viera before adding the other sex.

[SturmChurro]

But then you couldn't draw Elders Scrolls/GW2 players over.
Understand...

But I get what you mean, sadly they forced XIV's dev team into this mistake where we end up with really weird/limited races; no hair, no helmets/hats, roegadyn body, instead of Lupin (whom they cited as to why they wanted to add an animal race).
I guess I'll rephrase the quesiton. Would female and male Viera supportes would have preferred full Lupin race instead of what we got? I'd say yes, full Lupin with badass female Lupin would've added real flavor, compared to the half-race we got with Viera/Hrothgar.

I honestly dont understand why so many wanted viera so hard in the first place. Its honestly just another human with animal ears. We already have human, human with long neck, human with dragon horns and scales, human with cat ears and cat tail, and humanized potato. As much as i wish we had gotten lupin, at least hroth isnt just big human with cat ears and tail, while viera is just human with bunny ears.

"But hroth is just roe with cat ears" Yes and no, its roe with a unique head that looks nothing like anything else in the game. I hope we get lupin some day, or maybe lupin head and tail for hroth or something.

Also, again, im not saying im aginst male viera, before anyone comes at me with that. Im fine with them being added, but i still stand firmly that they need to at least finish male hroth and female viera before adding the other sex.

No. I don't think the majority of viera supporters (male or female) would have preferred a ful llupin race. Viera are attractive and being near human is why people like them. The people who want(ed) lupin are probably, like, furries, and the devs stated they only wanted to release a beast race to appease the crowd who wanted one; to fill out the races. This was going to supposedly be their "last chance" to add in any races, so they added hrothgar for this reason, and viera because the community had been wanting to play as viera for years and years.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

But then you couldn't draw Elders Scrolls/GW2 players over.

You do understand Feline Beast Races are popular in General Right?
This isnt some stunt to specifically target ES fans much less GW fans.
Even though I myself also love the Hrothgar (just a cat person in general) the Khajiit and Charr are better developed, and have more history to them.
So....I'm not quite understanding the idea or logic that the Hrothgar were made to draw in Elder Scrolls or Guild Wars fans. Their games handled their Beast Cats better, so it's not like there is any special draw to them in FFxiv

[Amnmaat]

Don't pretend haha
GW2 was crashing and burning in 2018. What XIV offers over them is not a better cat race but a better game; GW2 isn't in maintenance mode right now for no reason. FFXIV offers Charr players a big and thriving population, you know the first reason to play an mmorpg? As far as Elders Scrolls, well while it's still doing well what better way to pique their interesting, as well as World of warcraft players who were looking for the exodus.

I always laugh when you think this is not the case. If adding Ronso mattered that much to them they would've added them with Heavensward.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Don't pretend haha
GW2 was crashing and burning in 2018. What XIV offers over them is not a better cat race but a better game; GW2 isn't in maintenance mode right now for no reason. FFXIV offers Charr players a big and thriving population, you know the first reason to play an mmorpg? As far as Elders Scrolls, well while it's still doing well what better way to pique their interesting, as well as World of warcraft players who were looking for the exodus.

I always laugh when you think this is not the case. If adding Ronso mattered that much to them they would've added them with Heavensward.

What is there to Pretend? I think you completely jumped over the point of my post. You claim the Hrothgar are apparently designed to draw in Elder Scrolls fans and Guild Wars fans. My point was Feline Beast Races are just popular in general. Nearly every Sci-fi and Fantasy game has a Feline Beast Race.
The Hrothgar have limited Customization and headgear options. Comparing that to what the Charr and Khajiit have in their games, what draw is there to the Hrothgar? A Beast race? Sure, but once they see how limited they currently are, they'd probly be in the same boat as others and say "Screw this" and play a different race to fulfil that.

I didnt mention anything about the game itself. Just that its interesting that you claim the Hrothgar were made to bring in fans of other games...that in fact currently handle their Feline beast race better.

Also...they arn't Ronso, they are just called that on the First, perhaps as just a fun callback to FFX. And there in only One option that has a Unicorn Horn.
If they all had Unicorn Horns, then they would be Ronso, no questions asked.