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    Veris Amilan
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    /signed Male Viera and Female Hrothgar need to be added. Undoing the gender locks of 1.0 was a great thing, bringing back gender locks is a terrible idea.
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    So disappointing... I was ready to turn myself into male Viera, now all my dreams are gone to dust.

    Hope they can fix gender lock in future.
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    Please give us male Viera and female Hrothgar. Genderlocking is and always has been a bad idea. SE is better than this.
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    Antony Gabbiani
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanillaWafer View Post
    Miqo'te and Roegadyn lore is this game's original race, no matter how much inspiration their previous predecessors take, they could do whatever they want with it. That's why they have both genders.

    Viera was requested by players. Viera is not exclusively original, as their race appeared in other games. If the higher ups said no, then there's not much the devs can do about it but follow orders. So I can never blame them.

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    Personally, I feel a bit indifferent about the news, but I'm kind of glad that the team are sticking to their guns with lore. What I'm not okay with people throwing buzzwords around for no reason. If you're going to throw these around, PLEASE provide legit proof. I understand you're all emotional about this, I'd understand but think about this logically.
    Square holds the rights to viera. Square can decide not to make them. Square also holds the rights to ffxiv and square can be held responsible for the decision by people’s choices and feedback regarding this choice.

    Additionally. Square needs to learn their lesson from how they handled the questions regarding male viera since Paris. They could have said there are no male viera then and stoped the hype and anticipation. Instead they CHOSE to let it continue and basically set up hrothgar to fail.

    I’ve stated day one since the leak, it won’t matter how awesome hrothgar may be. If they’re not male viera, people will be furious, and the forums show I was not wrong. This was a bad decision on Square’s end, and they need to know that their customers disapprove.

    Also. The lore excuse is really pathetic. Male misquotes are as rare as male viera and they exist as a playable sex. Duskwight elezen are even rarer and we can play them too. Pointing to lore feels like them making an excuse for not wanting to do it, especially when they said at Heavensward they didn’t do it because Yoshi doesn’t like male viera. Not because lore.
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    Yoshi Papa
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    Signed. The news was hugely disappointing for both Viera and Hrothgar and the state that they are in. Not complete ? Low Textures ? Models horrendous ?Missing genders ? I would have much rather had an overhaul of character creation than this.

    Genderlocking actually limits variety in the world imo. I would never play Hrothgar, but I would love to be able to see both genders in the open world.
    Character creation and character identity in an mmo are very important. It represents you, your identity, personality through your character within this fantasy world. This decision sends a pervading message that SE can be as random and undiscerning as their impressive RNG mechanics.
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    I found this older Op Ed that Gahoo wrote in 2010, regarding the previous gender locks in this game. It is intriguing to look how things have evolved. It puts perspective on where we are now and it gives me some optimism that later, they can unlock Hrothgar and Viera too.

    Op-Ed: Gender Locking of the Races and Clans
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    Chandani Aranka
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    I rather support the lore that the males being reclusive and hiding away than support rewriting the lore.
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    With male Viera, I would be able to go back to being able to recommend this game to my friends.
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    Syrena Kalihd
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    Agreed - it was extremely disappointing to see both new races genderlocked. I expected better from Square and it’s sad to see the game taking this turn.

    I was excited for viera and considering making one as a new main, but now the race feels half-complete and I’m no longer interested in playing a viera (even though I was intending on making a female viera). The decision to genderlock based on lore is flimsy at best, and doesn’t explain why hrothgar/ronso were genderlocked too. It makes hrothgar feel like a poor excuse for a ‘male’ counterpart to the viera, when I feel most of the fan base would be more interested in having one complete race than two incomplete ones.

    I just hope that in the future Square adds male viera and female hrothgar instead of leaving this oversight unaddressed and just creating more disappointment.
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    Korihu Yanhu
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    Just gonna extend my thoughts a bit more to try to make a proper arguement.

    Someone sat down, drew girls with bunny ears in lingerie and heels, then decided only females of these people are seen. Hmm. I wonder why. But praise the lore am I right?! So deep~~
    Hrothgar would have been a welcome addition, but not at the cost of Viera being single gendered, or Hrothgar being only males.
    I would personally have loved female Hrothgar, tough, bestial females are not represented enough. I love the Charr in GW2 for this reason. But instead we're going into the exact same stereotypes things have been going down for years in these kinds of games.

    I remember being so happy when I first played FFXIV because it seemed like they were breaking out of those stereotypes, giving us catboys and female roes, stupid subligars for both genders. I was like oh my gosh, they remembered girls (and lgbt and feminine boys) with these kinds of interests exists.
    I know some of you may not have this experience, but it's something to grow up and all the media is nothing but skimpy, sexy women. While any of our interests in males is shot down as gross, weird (as yoshi said), and a joke/silly. And god forbid we dared express our distaste, we'll get called whiny and entitled. Yeah, we might be feeling a little bit entitled, having you know, been shamed and not allowed our interests in mainstream media.
    And why, tell me, would they go SO far out of the way to suddenly implement gender locked races again, something they decided to do without from 1.0/FF11, specifically because of Viera?
    I'm sorry, but it's not too hard for people to personally interpret that it might be because the devs are personally uncomfortable with having to think about bunny boys in heels. And wanted to backtrack. They realised that the 12 developer spent so much time justifying why these warriors go out in heels and lingerie that the males would have to be the same.

    Then there's the garbage arguement about ''''lore''''. The whole thing about us being adventurers is that we left our society to explore the world, otherwise Xaela should never leave the steppes, sun cats never leaving their 'pride', moon male cats just not existing essentially.
    drives away in Yo-Kai Mount, fully equipped in Garo gear while I queue for Nier raid
    Now that I think about it, female only races are always these skimpy, sexy women. A lot of male only races tend to be stupid looking, or not what most females would personally like. *I wonder w h y*
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    Last edited by Korihu; 03-24-2019 at 12:54 PM.

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