Summoner is doing too much in 5.10

[ForteNightshade]

After a few days of log updated we get more data, i find smn is actually okay, they still lose from a BLM in a fight that dont need move much and even in a fight where people need to mive much they still lose to a max potential BLM (Hades top is back to BLM whoops! Yes)

If anything need fixing its not damage output, but rather mobility... SMN is so mobile compared to BLM(which if you ask me is actually mobile enough but need planning which most player cant cassually be done) which make their damage near equal... and dont forget RDM the poor guys need a buff much in all department except raise

How can you classify a job with vastly better utility doing equal to superior damage okay? Summoner brings more to the table than Black Mage and is inherently less risky. Even without Resurrection, its still the better Caster. With it? There's no question. The bigger issue, however, is how Summoner compares against Red Mage. Both have a battle raise yet one leaves the other in its dust.

Simply put, Summoner either does everything better or its few shortcomings aren't enough of a hindrance to slow it down.

[Kabooa]

How can you classify a job with vastly better utility doing equal to superior damage okay? Summoner brings more to the table than Black Mage and is inherently less risky. Even without Resurrection, its still the better Caster. With it? There's no question. The bigger issue, however, is how Summoner compares against Red Mage. Both have a battle raise yet one leaves the other in its dust.

Simply put, Summoner either does everything better or its few shortcomings aren't enough of a hindrance to slow it down.

I mean sure, but get rid of the Raise and it's mostly fine.

I'll bang this drum as much as I can. It's always been about the raise. The moment it gets taken out of the picture, it doesn't really matter if Black Mage isn't the top damage dealer. The crown's nice, sure, but that crown has changed heads so many times you really shouldn't look inside it. What matters is that they aren't obsolete, and that's what raise does.

It is a binary "Is/Isn't" obsolete switch. It needs to go, or it needs to be heavily adjusted and shared, or it needs something that provides enough of the same boon.