Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Crushnight]

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I’m not sure if anyone has stated this but, they mention you can count the remaining male vieras on one hand, this is due to the sin eaters killing them all so the rest went into hiding until the problem was solved. We are resorting the darkness and banishing/killing all the sin eaters. It would make sense to get them as a playable race during 6.0 because obviously the sin eaters will be gone by then and we will have a new threat. Technically we already killed them all by restoring the darkness in all areas.

The 1st problems =/= Source problems on most circumstances, something like low population of Vil males suddenly being more substainable to their species would not indicate we would get male Viera by lore since Viera are not Vils, despite being the same race have completely different cultures and since our WoL starts on the Source, we would be bound by Source lore at most i.e male Vieras would hail from Othard in some way.

[Melichoir]

The 1st problems =/= Source problems on most circumstances, something like low population of Vil males suddenly being more substainable to their species would not indicate we would get male Viera by lore since Viera are not Vils, despite being the same race have completely different cultures and since our WoL starts on the Source, we would be bound by Source lore at most i.e male Vieras would hail from Othard in some way.

It doesnt solve the issue the MSQ sets up. There are very very few remaining left, it is odd as hell to say "Yeah, you guys go hide out in the woodlands where sin eaters roam at times along with other monsters, and not in the last real Viera city that is pretty well guarded."

The implications that the males are in hiding doesnt make sense considering the circumstances of the first. Gets even more a problem for the Hrothgar cause they dont have that lore of male viera being out in the woods. Essentially, the MSQ is sidestepping the very real issue that you have two populations that are on the verge of extinction due to the lack of being able to have kids. In both cases, it doesnt make sense to have the missing sex hiding in a hole somewhere. The lore works well enough on the source cause theres a whole vast world we havent been too, but not so much on the first.

And I dont see a realistic resolution to this problem unless they migrate people to or from the source. Its a bit of a point cause I do remember some people bringing up lore as the reason we dont see male viera or female hrothgar on the source, but that thought process gets thrown out on the first.

[Crushnight]

It doesnt solve the issue the MSQ sets up. There are very very few remaining left, it is odd as hell to say "Yeah, you guys go hide out in the woodlands where sin eaters roam at times along with other monsters, and not in the last real Viera city that is pretty well guarded."

The implications that the males are in hiding doesnt make sense considering the circumstances of the first. Gets even more a problem for the Hrothgar cause they dont have that lore of male viera being out in the woods. Essentially, the MSQ is sidestepping the very real issue that you have two populations that are on the verge of extinction due to the lack of being able to have kids. In both cases, it doesnt make sense to have the missing sex hiding in a hole somewhere. The lore works well enough on the source cause theres a whole vast world we havent been too, but not so much on the first.

And I dont see a realistic resolution to this problem unless they migrate people to or from the source. Its a bit of a point cause I do remember some people bringing up lore as the reason we dont see male viera or female hrothgar on the source, but that thought process gets thrown out on the first.

Which is what i was getting at, we could magically solve all of the 1st problems but the Source would remain unchanged, people need to treat the lore of these races separately from what we know about the Source.

Now there is one thing (spoiler for one facet questline)

The facet of Restoration has a Viera female who mentions her mother and father but unfortuneatly they were killed while she was still young, she was then raised alongside a male Hyur by a gentle old crafter who soothed the hearts of people in the Crysterium.

This story then begs the question how many males left the wood through circumstances or choice, we just don't know, same with female Hrothgar in fact i find female Hrothgar worse due to Twine never mentioning the females being scarce which means the Hrothgar population there is fine so why no females wondering around(players know but our characters don't) least with Fanow they gave a reason for lack of males, female Hrothgar didn't even get that.

[wereotter]

It doesnt solve the issue the MSQ sets up. There are very very few remaining left, it is odd as hell to say "Yeah, you guys go hide out in the woodlands where sin eaters roam at times along with other monsters, and not in the last real Viera city that is pretty well guarded."

The implications that the males are in hiding doesnt make sense considering the circumstances of the first. Gets even more a problem for the Hrothgar cause they dont have that lore of male viera being out in the woods. Essentially, the MSQ is sidestepping the very real issue that you have two populations that are on the verge of extinction due to the lack of being able to have kids. In both cases, it doesnt make sense to have the missing sex hiding in a hole somewhere. The lore works well enough on the source cause theres a whole vast world we havent been too, but not so much on the first.

And I dont see a realistic resolution to this problem unless they migrate people to or from the source. Its a bit of a point cause I do remember some people bringing up lore as the reason we dont see male viera or female hrothgar on the source, but that thought process gets thrown out on the first.

When it comes to the First (full disclosure, I have not completed all the side quests in Farrow) I never got the impression that they're hiding, but that they're actively fighting to defend their home.

This is something that many real world societies would relate to. If there's a major catastrophe that requires bodies to go and defend your cities and homes, it tends to fall on the men of that society to go and fight. If this followed for the Vis, then it would make sense that the women and children (the two groups that most cultures would agree need to be protected) are left in the village while the men go out and fight to defend them. Again assuming this is what happened, then it would make sense that on the First, men would be rarer than women because of how many died defending their homes from attacks by the sin eaters.

That said, I didn't get the impression from what quests I have completed that the men were explicitly kept out of Farrow, nor did I get the impression that they're hiding. They're actively fighting to defend the last refuge of their race, and dying doing so. Had we come to Norvrandt under different circumstances, it's not impossible that we would have seen both the men and women living in that settlement.

Thats been my impression - that for 6.0 theyll introduce the missing genders. No need for creating new races - per say. Just introduce missing genders and go from there. The lore is pretty easy to address as it were to be frank.

I really hope your right in the 6.0 launch of the other sexes for the two races.... but me personally, I'm not holding my breath for anything before 7.0

[Melichoir]

When it comes to the First (full disclosure, I have not completed all the side quests in Farrow) I never got the impression that they're hiding, but that they're actively fighting to defend their home.

Ok, where? You would expect if theyre fighting that youd either encounter atleast one in Rak Tikka or at major hubs for supplies. Let alone we should see or encounter one at Fanow whos returning from defense with either intel, supplies, updates, whatever. You know, any good old reason outside of the lore given to us on the source. We gotta keep in mind there isnt very much land left on the 1st. We more or less visited the entirety of whats left of it. (Also is it Farrow and not Fannow? I dunno for sure. Derps)

This is something that many real world societies would relate to. If there's a major catastrophe that requires bodies to go and defend your cities and homes, it tends to fall on the men of that society to go and fight. If this followed for the Vis, then it would make sense that the women and children (the two groups that most cultures would agree need to be protected) are left in the village while the men go out and fight to defend them. Again assuming this is what happened, then it would make sense that on the First, men would be rarer than women because of how many died defending their homes from attacks by the sin eaters.

I dont contest this point, but in virtually every society, it is the able bodied that go to fight. This would mean we should see: Old male vieras, Very young male Vieras, Crippled or Disabled Male Vieras, Injured Male Vieras. Then this again goes back to the first point. If theyre not in Fanow, then theyre in the wilds or Chrystarium or other regions. Yet again we do not even encounter a single one. I get you can have a special society where males and females live separate. Ill bite. But there's a point where it becomes ludicrous and implausible. The first is a ruined world still on the verge of annihilation. If were successful with Eden and that course, things might get better. But it's still in real bad shape. Despite cultural norms, if the survival of your species is at stake, things change right quick. Even if they are all off fighting, we should encounter one or two in our travels across whats left of the 1st. Thats not happening and the reason is "Well, theyre off fighting someplace, or that Vis males live out in the woods as tradition dictates."

That said, I didn't get the impression from what quests I have completed that the men were explicitly kept out of Farrow, nor did I get the impression that they're hiding. They're actively fighting to defend the last refuge of their race, and dying doing so. Had we come to Norvrandt under different circumstances, it's not impossible that we would have seen both the men and women living in that settlement.

I agree. But if the point is theyre off fighting, theyre quite literally leaving the place theyre fighting for unprotected while at the same time sacrificing a very necessary part of the whole 'survival of our species' aspect. More or less it takes two to tango. You can have more Vis if every last male is dead. With the Vis losing ground in the Rak Tikka, youd still expect a small contingent of males to remain in Fanow for defense. It's just kind of a mess that's made because of the genderlock thing, and complicated by an MSQ that doesnt give us real credible reasons why we wouldnt see them on the first considering the situation.

I really hope your right in the 6.0 launch of the other sexes for the two races.... but me personally, I'm not holding my breath for anything before 7.0

6.0 is optimistic, but if a bit part of their reasoning is updating armors and items, theyre under greater pressure to present them sooner than later. Considering how things supposedly went down, they should have more time this time around to create the off sexes with a more complete look than ShB. Admittedly, Im not holding my breath either. It makes more sense to do it sooner than later, but who knows.

[wereotter]

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I agree that the implementation of the lore as I've understood it doesn't make sense with no characters of the types you describe able to be seen in the settlement if they're injured, elderly, or disabled, and that it's odd we never see them about the Greatwood. But this also can be something explained outside the game with "the character models don't exist, so you won't see them"

This could be the same argument that you could apply to things like, if the Domans came to Revenant's Toll after the Garleans took over, why are there no Au Ra or Lupin there? Simple answer, they didn't have the character models yet, or didn't want to show them off. Same with Hrothgar, they come from Ilsabard, so why have we not seen any in the ranks of the Garlean Empire? We know they incorporate conquered people into their empire after the Stormblood expansion, so it would make sense that we should have seen them in the Garlean military this entire time, but we don't, again because the character models weren't created yet.

Not the most satisfying explanation, but it would be the most likely if my understanding is correct.

[zeylos]

Ok, where? You would expect if theyre fighting that youd either encounter atleast one in Rak Tikka or at major hubs for supplies. Let alone we should see or encounter one at Fanow whos returning from defense with either intel, supplies, updates, whatever. You know, any good old reason outside of the lore given to us on the source. We gotta keep in mind there isnt very much land left on the 1st. We more or less visited the entirety of whats left of it. (Also is it Farrow and not Fannow? I dunno for sure. Derps)



I dont contest this point, but in virtually every society, it is the able bodied that go to fight. This would mean we should see: Old male vieras, Very young male Vieras, Crippled or Disabled Male Vieras, Injured Male Vieras. Then this again goes back to the first point. If theyre not in Fanow, then theyre in the wilds or Chrystarium or other regions. Yet again we do not even encounter a single one. I get you can have a special society where males and females live separate. Ill bite. But there's a point where it becomes ludicrous and implausible. The first is a ruined world still on the verge of annihilation. If were successful with Eden and that course, things might get better. But it's still in real bad shape. Despite cultural norms, if the survival of your species is at stake, things change right quick. Even if they are all off fighting, we should encounter one or two in our travels across whats left of the 1st. Thats not happening and the reason is "Well, theyre off fighting someplace, or that Vis males live out in the woods as tradition dictates."



I agree. But if the point is theyre off fighting, theyre quite literally leaving the place theyre fighting for unprotected while at the same time sacrificing a very necessary part of the whole 'survival of our species' aspect. More or less it takes two to tango. You can have more Vis if every last male is dead. With the Vis losing ground in the Rak Tikka, youd still expect a small contingent of males to remain in Fanow for defense. It's just kind of a mess that's made because of the genderlock thing, and complicated by an MSQ that doesnt give us real credible reasons why we wouldnt see them on the first considering the situation.




6.0 is optimistic, but if a bit part of their reasoning is updating armors and items, theyre under greater pressure to present them sooner than later. Considering how things supposedly went down, they should have more time this time around to create the off sexes with a more complete look than ShB. Admittedly, Im not holding my breath either. It makes more sense to do it sooner than later, but who knows.

I think its most likely theyll do ti fo 6.0, with rather low quality (Im not expecting helmets or hairstyles, and lackluster customization is also prob) so ppl will be pleased once and for all