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    The point is that your assumptions were incorrect; the discrepancy isn't what you said it was.

    Whether that changes your opinion or not, I don't honestly care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post
    That its dps is fine. noone who is seriously looking at a person's numbers cares about their inflated aDPS.
    Then you misunderstand the point of this discussion, or perhaps you misunderstand what aDPS represents.

    When it comes to player performance, rDPS is generally most important. When it comes to job performance, aDPS is the best practical metric for tank DPS.
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    Ziero Rehw-bidit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argyle_Darkheart View Post
    The point is that your assumptions were incorrect; the discrepancy isn't what you said it was.

    Whether that changes your opinion or not, I don't honestly care.
    The point is that even if WAR is dead last, the discrepancy between top dog and last place isn't serious enough to cry about being last in DPS. My opinion is that WAR's worthwhile, and in regards to tank DPS, we've got satisfactory balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argyle_Darkheart View Post
    The point is that your assumptions were incorrect; the discrepancy isn't what you said it was.

    Whether that changes your opinion or not, I don't honestly care.

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    Then you misunderstand the point of this discussion, or perhaps you misunderstand what aDPS represents.

    When it comes to player performance, rDPS is generally most important. When it comes to job performance, aDPS is the best practical metric for tank DPS.
    I disagree. I believe rdps is the better metric for both. aDPS includes all sorts of buffs which skew numbers. rDPS as a tank would be the raw metric of your damage contribution without those buffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post
    I disagree. I believe rdps is the better metric for both. aDPS includes all sorts of buffs which skew numbers. rDPS as a tank would be the raw metric of your damage contribution without those buffs.
    Whether your job can better take advantage of certain buffs (i.e. Trick Attack) has zero impact on the job's own rDPS, even though it does affect the party. Tank rDPS being equal, a party that has a tank that can better exploit others' damage utility will have higher dps than a party with a tank that does a poorer job of that exploitation. That is a measurable contribution, and yet it's not measured in the tank's rDPS. However, it does at least appear in aDPS, although it's only worth precise comparison in the fantastic scenario that one uses the same composition performing the same fight via the same strategy and with the same performance between all the otherwise same members.

    Neither measure is perfect. But, if rDPS is generally equal, yet the others' aDPS is higher across a broad spread of parses (and thereby probably compositions), the higher aDPS tank is contributing more (just, via the DRG/NIN/AST/SCH/MNK/RDM's rDPS parses, rather than its own).
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