Reasonable buff to war

[Shurrikhan]

I disagree. I believe rdps is the better metric for both. aDPS includes all sorts of buffs which skew numbers. rDPS as a tank would be the raw metric of your damage contribution without those buffs.

Whether your job can better take advantage of certain buffs (i.e. Trick Attack) has zero impact on the job's own rDPS, even though it does affect the party. Tank rDPS being equal, a party that has a tank that can better exploit others' damage utility will have higher dps than a party with a tank that does a poorer job of that exploitation. That is a measurable contribution, and yet it's not measured in the tank's rDPS. However, it does at least appear in aDPS, although it's only worth precise comparison in the fantastic scenario that one uses the same composition performing the same fight via the same strategy and with the same performance between all the otherwise same members.

Neither measure is perfect. But, if rDPS is generally equal, yet the others' aDPS is higher across a broad spread of parses (and thereby probably compositions), the higher aDPS tank is contributing more (just, via the DRG/NIN/AST/SCH/MNK/RDM's rDPS parses, rather than its own).

[Argyle_Darkheart]

I disagree. I believe rdps is the better metric for both. aDPS includes all sorts of buffs which skew numbers. rDPS as a tank would be the raw metric of your damage contribution without those buffs.

The problem is that rDPS ignores the practical reality that raid buffs affect each tank differently.

[Hierro]

The problem is that rDPS ignores the practical reality that raid buffs affect each tank differently.

You seem so set on the idea that the differences matter, so let's just cut to the chase: is a ~5% discrepancy between WAR and GNB aDPS really that hard for you to live with?

[Shurrikhan]

You seem so set on the idea that the differences matter, so let's just cut to the chase: is a ~5% discrepancy between WAR and GNB aDPS really that hard for you to live with?

Calling some measure of error a trifle does not make it any less an error.

The discrepancy between WAR and GNB aDPS being small has nothing to do with whether rDPS is by no means a perfect measurement for tank balance, given that added party dps as a result of your ability to use your composition's utility is not shown in your own metric. It is nearly sufficient. But it is not.

As no tank provides any personal rDPS beyond their aDPS, but their discrepency in aDPS does provide additional rDPS to other members, he's right that aDPS should also be considered.

[BarretOblivion]

You seem so set on the idea that the differences matter, so let's just cut to the chase: is a ~5% discrepancy between WAR and GNB aDPS really that hard for you to live with?

You have a tank that is behind GNB wihout buffs even aplied by a bit, then you add in party buffs. Then you have the same tank benefit the least from some party buffs while the GNB has no such degregation from any party buffs and the gap just widens further now.

[Esmoire]

I just want the meat gauge crit bonus back because that was more fun and interesting. Optimizing our meat gauge was a cool way for warriors to squeeze out just a little more by trying to have as much of it as we can without going overcap and ending the encounter on 0.

[Satarn]

Ngl, I find it kinda fascinating how many people started complaining about IR in SHB and how simplistic WAR got, while back when these things happened in 4.2, most people were cheering about WAR "feeling so good to play now" and no longer being "clunky".

I'm sure it has nothing to do with SHB WAR no longer enjoying a dps advantage over rest of the tanks...

[NyneSwordz]

Im not one of those people. Guage halving on stance swap. Ir costing rage and halving rage cost was clunky. It wasn't really even complex it was just annoying to prep because u had to be max rage, prep with swing first, then theres a set sequence of buttons u press.

[whiskeybravo]

Im not one of those people. Guage halving on stance swap. Ir costing rage and halving rage cost was clunky. It wasn't really even complex it was just annoying to prep because u had to be max rage, prep with swing first, then theres a set sequence of buttons u press.

That's what a rotation is, a set sequence of button presses. Doesn't really matter what those buttons are, there's an optimized order to press them in and you'll aim to do that every time.. Don't complain about lack of complexity when we had it before and "everyone" hated it. Sure it was clunky in a way, but it wasn't anything that couldn't be handled by sufficient preparation.

[Satarn]

Im not one of those people. Guage halving on stance swap. Ir costing rage and halving rage cost was clunky. It wasn't really even complex it was just annoying to prep because u had to be max rage, prep with swing first, then theres a set sequence of buttons u press.

Gauge halving on swap and IR cost didn't even last long enough to see the first raid tier in 4.05, but m'kay.

Pressing buttons in a sequence is very clunky tho, making every job into a button-mash qte would be ideal.