Forced scarcity and exclusivity.

[PharisHanasaki]

And if you didn't read my previous post, I said they SHOULDN'T make popular items into exclusives. That's unfair. But if they will say something is exclusive they should stick to their word.

You want to turn all of this into your own point of view ignoring the FACT that they offered the items as exclusives only to sell them years later.
Whether is 1, 2, 3 or 1000 years, it was marketed as an exclusive, and it was not.

I'm using facts, such as the meaning of the word exclusive. You're just bringing your own opinion and perception into this.

[RoyalBeef]

I mean I don't tell the goverment(developer) in IRL to include me in everything or else i complain, or is complaining just a way for people to get studded off their chest?

Not going into politics here, but that's exactly what's happening atm. Forced quotas here, participation medals there, free stuff for everyone. People now generally feel entitled to stuff they didn't earn, it's the mindset of this generation, so of course communities in games will reflect hat.

[RoyalBeef]

I feel like games should be designed around fun and I think it's best if players can experience the entirety of the game, if it interests them. Content should be its own reward, this makes the content itself more enjoyable because it's designed to be fun and it avoids enticing players who don't enjoy content to play said content.

That's not how MMOs work. That's not how the human brain works. Gamblers wouldnt gamble just for the fun if there wasn't a chance to win a reward. And what locked content are you even talking about? Wanting to do E4S without having to clear E1S-E3S first?

[alimdia]

That's false not everyone who clears ultimate have the same tools, everyone will ride the coattails of the people who made guides, spent hours editing a video, hours making videos, running it blind, then voice overs. Then the less dedicated and skilled players who dont know how to blind prog come behind and have everything handed to them, all they have to do is remember a string of events, which is not hard at all. Green light, yellow light, red light. That's all a raid is.

Edit: lame ducks was harsh.

That's just an argument against how things work in PvP, because there are no guides, nothing gets easier over the time, someone more skilled than you could come in a month too late and not be even given the chance to earn the reward.

At that point it's not that you were better than him, you just had more free time, you were awarded for being there within the short time period and not exclusively based on your skill. But you'd be okay with that because it gives you an ego boost, something to lord over him, that you had more free time than him.

[Mistyregions]

That's just an argument against how things work in PvP, because there are no guides, nothing gets easier over the time, someone more skilled than you could come in a month too late and not be even given the chance to earn the reward.

At that point it's not that you were better than him, you just had more free time, you were awarded for being there within the short time period and not exclusively based on your skill. But you'd be okay with that because it gives you an ego boost, something to lord over him, that you had more free time than him.

More free time? Make time? For some reason this hobby seems to be excluded from the make time category. Into cosplay and you need to make it to a Con? Make time. Need to hit up a regional armature rocket club? Make time. Need to get in a track day that's only open 3 times a year? Make time.

If you want it that badly in game you will make time, if you can't well tuff luck bud. I appreciate how any other hobby on planet earth wait for no one but this MMO, it better be hand crafted around people who have zero dedication.

[monk-dps]

It does take away from it. You're clinging to just the idea of participating in the fanfest, but I got way more 'exclusives' than just that one.

Again, DO NOT say it's an EXCLUSIVE when it won't be exclusive. It's false advertisement.
I like having things that other people can't have. So what?
Why do you want to have that which was exclusive to others? What makes you feel like you must have it too?

I won't buy any more 'exclusives' from this game, cuz I can just get it with you when they put it up in the mogstation. Simple.

I'm using the fanfest example because not all "exclusives" equal the same thing. This isn't the first time SE brought past fanfest items to the mogshop so if your only reasoning to spend 100's of bucks and fly wherever you're from just to get a costume then like I said. The costume had little value to begin with. The other reason I'm bringing that up is bcause you compared it too the PVP rewards which I said isn't the same thing. Fanfest isn't barred behind skill. The PVP rewards are. And don't bring gear into this because gear never keeps it's value.. and it shouldn't due to the fact people like gaining more power and we gain more power thur each patch update. So gear will never be exclusive.

Now to the actual topic at hand, I'm in agreement, the PVP rewards should STAY exclusive because they are barred by skill and wins. We can debate if it's actual skill people use for the wins itself but that's not this topic. The PVP rewards need to stay where they are and stay exclusive since it takes a decent amount of time and skill to even get to the top 100. That's where I agree. Everything else.... nope. Costumes like the FFX stuff isn't barred in skill, niether is the 4 mount car or any other PVE/mogstation item that's in the game. The only thing that would is the ultimate title and weapon rewards.. which again is another thing barred by skill and high level skill at that. But that's where I stand on everything that's been added.


Edit: And no I don't want your items. I have my own. I'm only bringing up my points because people are lumping all and everything ever into this topic and I'm just making it clear it's not all equal. So don't think I'm fighting in favor of OP or anything. There's just context that's being lost and I like to keep it all within context as the answer does change depending on what we're talking about.

[PyurBlue]

That's not how MMOs work. That's not how the human brain works. Gamblers wouldnt gamble just for the fun if there wasn't a chance to win a reward. And what locked content are you even talking about? Wanting to do E4S without having to clear E1S-E3S first?

I realize that many MMO's use rewards as an incentive to play. That's not what entices me to play them, and when they rely too heavily on that it hurts the game. Forced exclusivity is another layer of annoyance on top of that since it arbitrarily locks people out of content. In FF14 Eureka could be taken as an example of content overly focused on rewards, it offered many enticing things but I flat out ignored it because nothing there was interesting to do. On the other hand you can find me joining PF groups for no reason beyond liking whatever content they happen to be running. All that matters to me is how I can interact with other players and if the activities that the game revolves around are enjoyable.

I didn't mention locked content, what I was talking about was enticing players into doing something they dislike just because there is a reward at the end. I didn't like Eureka, and if I had to play it I would want it to be changed. This might not sit well with any players that did like it as it was.

[PharisHanasaki]

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And you keep completely ignoring my points. Guess I'll do the same and move on. Good luck!

[CookiesNCreams]

I realize that many MMO's use rewards as an incentive to play. That's not what entices me to play them, and when they rely too heavily on that it hurts the game. Forced exclusivity is another layer of annoyance on top of that since it arbitrarily locks people out of content.

I. Not just MMOs, but I’d say at least 96% of online games regardless of genre, give some sort of positive reinforcement that gives player multiple motivations to grind certain content, and gain access to certain items that are exclusive. And if they are event locked, it simply encourages players to be more active then.

II. How exactly does positive reinforcement hurt a game? Back in 2.x and 3.x when Square Enix didn’t cater to lazy audiences that wanted everything spoon fed, the game did just fine and sold well. If they stayed the way things were, their FFXIV servers would still remain up for years and years to come. So the unnecessary accessibility and easy-mode endgame content was absolutely not needed...maybe for newcomers getting to 1 - 70, but experienced players...70+....no.

III. Forced locked content is in literally any game you play. You mean to tell me you just refuse to play a game because it actually wants players to have goals to work towards? Come on. This underachieving mindset will really hurt FFXIV rather than the opposite, honestly. It already has people upset and speaking up about it. “Arbitrarily locking people out of content”...oh please. Then by that logic, they are arbitrarily keeping things easy and free.

IV. Also, you want Eureka changed because boo hoo, poor you can’t find it in you to do it? Im horrible at Eureka too, but I don’t whine to Square Enix’s FFXIV development sector to change every single little difficult thing I can’t do that others can do fine. And you know what? If I actually cared about Eureka/Raids, and practiced, I actually would be good at it, considering I did Sophia EX on release very well. What, if I trip on a rock, am I going to ask Yoshida to make the rock easier to step on?

[monk-dps]

And you keep completely ignoring my posts. Guess I'll do the same and move on. Good luck!

I read both your post. I feel like you're saying that because I'm not blindly agreeing with you. But whatever. I answered and replied and read all your post and replied in kind. Good day.