Forced scarcity and exclusivity.

[Mistyregions]

Not sure what you mean, I think I apply myself when I feel like it--I placed in the Top 100 in Feast 3 times in Feast (whenever I thought the reward was nice).

As far as sense of awe, I don't know about you, but I've been playing MMOs for 15? years now and seeing skilled players all decked out in cool stuff is inspiring. For me, it gives me something to look forward to, something to strive for, even if whatever they have is not suited for me nor something I specifically want. I can appreciate the effort and dedication they had to get where they are.



Depends. For a seasonal event where the quest reward doesn't come back, you're right. But for anything else, where you have to work for it, much less fight amongst yourselves to prove you're better than the next, you're wrong. Any competition (I fully support PVE "World Race" timed-exclusive rewards) is limited by time. Anyone can try afterwards, but part of the competition is being there, at that time, in that competition, against those competitors, with the same amount of info (literally, no info except what you glean yourself) as everyone else.

Imagine if the the World First for any particular raid was won upon release. Then imagine some raid group coming afterwards, using the strategy developed by the initial raiders, but with overwhelming gear and job levels to kill the boss faster. They can't just usurp World First after the fact. That's unthinkable, but that's the argument you're using.



You get it. You're the best. <3

This guy gets it.

[Mistyregions]

Yet another incompetent retort. If the reward is specifically for "world's first" then duh, any idiot would agree that only the "world's first" deserves the reward.

I'm talking about general accomplishments and achievements. For example, Ultimate raids, which live up to their name perfectly: they're ultimate. Clearing them will always be impressive (assuming clears aren't bought) because everyone who attempts them will always be armed with the same tools, due to sync-only requirements. Forced scarcity would be removing even the opportunity to attempt these fights. Therefore it's a flawed concept that is objectively wrong.

That's false not everyone who clears ultimate have the same tools, everyone will ride the coattails of the people who made guides, spent hours editing a video, hours making videos, running it blind, then voice overs. Then the less dedicated and skilled players who dont know how to blind prog come behind and have everything handed to them, all they have to do is remember a string of events, which is not hard at all. Green light, yellow light, red light. That's all a raid is.

Edit: lame ducks was harsh.

[swiss_Momo]

remember how the knowledge that the rewards will later be easier to obtain trough added echo and eventually handed out almost for free via unsync completely killed off savage raiding and ex primals?
... oh wait, that never happened.
But remember how the Overwatch devs came out last year or so stating that seasonal exclusive rewards are a bad system and don't work as good incentive?
That one actually happened, and Pepperidge farm remembers.

in b4 another "you just want things for free" strawman
also in b4 another round of "but the top 100 rewards are muh exclusive trophies!". You still have the actual leaderboard on the Lodestone for that, and that one even shows your exact rank & points you got that season.

[monk-dps]

Yeah, but they sell the idea that they will be exclusive, and if you want them you must do x or purchase y. So you do.
Then a year after everyone can get it. How is that fair? Not buying into the exclusive bait anymore.

You thinking it doesn't take away from me it's your own perception of it because you are the person affected by not having it.
It does take away from me, because it's nice having a thing or two that make you different. Oh this person is legacy, or this person went to x fanfest, or whatever.

They shouldn't make popular items, like ff character costumes exclusive. But they should make an item that's distinctive for x or y event, or collectable purchased.
They make special titles for the winners of the pvp challenge, how is it different from me attending a FanFest, or buying the OST, artbook, etc.
Don't sell it as an exclusive, if it will be available for everyone. Simple.

What does it take away? Someone buying the costume after the fact literally does nothing to you. It's not like they came and stole the event from you, stole your memories and fun you had at the event. Noone can take that from you so someone buying the outfit 2 years later and I stress.. TWO YEARS later can't do anything to you. I don't walk around bragging that I got a PS4 pro and a S10 plus on launch. Unless you're going to tell me the small fact that only you and a few others got an outfit at an event means more then the event itself. If it does I have to stress again... the item couldn't had any value anyway. This is like bragging to the guy next door that you have a rock on your lawn and they don't. And the winners of the PVP thing is abit different. It's not the same as going to an event. One takes way more skill then the other so no they aren't the same. It takes no skill or bragging rights to go to an event. It does take skill to get within the top 100 in pvp. They don't mean the same thing. As if that's the case I guess it takes skill to buy the same costume off the store.

[Nirokun]

remember how the knowledge that the rewards will later be easier to obtain trough added echo and eventually handed out almost for free via unsync completely killed off savage raiding and ex primals?
... oh wait, that never happened.
But remember how the Overwatch devs came out last year or so stating that seasonal exclusive rewards are a bad system and don't work as good incentive?
That one actually happened, and Pepperidge farm remembers.

in b4 another "you just want things for free" strawman
also in b4 another round of "but the top 100 rewards are muh exclusive trophies!". You still have the actual leaderboard on the Lodestone for that, and that one even shows your exact rank & points you got that season.

You sound like any other sore loser. Your kind of attitude is why we have participation trophies now.

(I don't do primals or savage raiding anymore because everything gets erased with time. I got fed up with it and saw the glory that is Feast Top 100.)

[monk-dps]

You sound like any other sore loser. Your kind of attitude is why we have participation trophies now.

(I don't do primals or savage raiding anymore because everything gets erased with time. I got fed up with it and saw the glory that is Feast Top 100.)

She's not wrong on the primal and savage point though. Gear always devalue, the moment you bring out another patch that is when it's value is gone/lowered. I think the ultimate and pvp rewards should stay as is do so I agree with you on that point. But everything isn't on an equal footing. Would you put the FFX outfits on that same point? I hope not as there was no skill to getting those vs the PVP mounts. That's my only point.. if we're just talking about the pvp stuff then yes. Leave those alone. Everything else... couldn't care less as it's already devalued the moment anything new comes out anyway.

[Hanayumi]

Never found pvp in this game all that interesting to really care about the feast rewards, did the garo stuff and... that's about it. As for exclusive prizes and such I think it's totally fine and fair, theyre not like "OMG I have to have that" prizes, but those that are interested in pvp at least have something to shoot for.

[Nirokun]

She's not wrong on the primal and savage point though. Gear always devalue, the moment you bring out another patch that is when it's value is gone/lowered. I think the ultimate and pvp rewards should stay as is do so I agree with you on that point. But everything isn't on an equal footing. Would you put the FFX outfits on that same point? I hope not as there was no skill to getting those vs the PVP mounts. That's my only point.. if we're just talking about the pvp stuff then yes. Leave those alone. Everything else... couldn't care less as it's already devalued the moment anything new comes out anyway.

Oh, I agree about primal/savage, that's why I said I don't do them anymore. Doing something to distinguish yourself (in a game or otherwise) feels good.

Personally, I was always the type that would keep things exclusive to a time/place. Yes, even those FFX outfits, rarity keeps it interesting. But you are right, things are constantly being devalued as time goes on and that sucks. That's why I am against it, and, for example, support PVE timed exclusives like world first or world top 10 - 100 whatever. Even though I'm not terribly interested in raiding because raid night schedules doesn't fit in my life now. Ranked PVP queues (even in the slowest queue as a ranged player) works much better for me, I can play when I have time and attempt to climb the ladder.

I disagree (not with you specifically) that ALL THINGS should be available to EVERYONE FOREVER, because that opens the door to 1.0 stuff and PVP Top 100 / teams / Feast Regional Championship stuff. Whether or not to allow acquisition of something particular, on a case-by-case basis, is an entirely different conversation.

[CookiesNCreams]

Oh, I agree about primal/savage, that's why I said I don't do them anymore. Doing something to distinguish yourself (in a game or otherwise) feels good.

Personally, I was always the type that would keep things exclusive to a time/place. Yes, even those FFX outfits, rarity keeps it interesting. But you are right, things are constantly being devalued as time goes on and that sucks. That's why I am against it, and, for example, support PVE timed exclusives like world first or world top 10 - 100 whatever. Even though I'm not terribly interested in raiding because raid night schedules doesn't fit in my life now. Ranked PVP queues (even in the slowest queue as a ranged player) works much better for me, I can play when I have time and attempt to climb the ladder.

I disagree (not with you specifically) that ALL THINGS should be available to EVERYONE FOREVER, because that opens the door to 1.0 stuff and PVP Top 100 / teams / Feast Regional Championship stuff. Whether or not to allow acquisition of something particular, on a case-by-case basis, is an entirely different conversation.

General FFXIV consensus is: I don’t want people getting more cool stuff than me, thats not fair. if you get more stuff than me, your a loser and you live in your moms basement! square, give us rare items for free! everyone deserves everything! REEEE

General Real Life consensus: don’t complain about what you don’t have and earn it. put effort into things you want because nobody will give it to you!

I wonder which one is more sensible and realistic.

FFXIV is literally the only game where developers listen to this mindset. No other game I’ve played has that mindset, none. (WOW maybe being an exception, lol.) It’s now reaching a point where the easy endgame items/content accessibility is pretty unreasonable, and I’m glad more people are speaking up about this. Regardless of how toxic certain players are on here about the subject.

[PharisHanasaki]

What does it take away? Someone buying the costume after the fact literally does nothing to you. It's not like they came and stole the event from you, stole your memories and fun you had at the event. Noone can take that from you so someone buying the outfit 2 years later and I stress.. TWO YEARS later can't do anything to you. I don't walk around bragging that I got a PS4 pro and a S10 plus on launch. Unless you're going to tell me the small fact that only you and a few others got an outfit at an event means more then the event itself. If it does I have to stress again... the item couldn't had any value anyway. This is like bragging to the guy next door that you have a rock on your lawn and they don't. And the winners of the PVP thing is abit different. It's not the same as going to an event. One takes way more skill then the other so no they aren't the same. It takes no skill or bragging rights to go to an event. It does take skill to get within the top 100 in pvp. They don't mean the same thing. As if that's the case I guess it takes skill to buy the same costume off the store.

It does take away from it. You're clinging to just the idea of participating in the fanfest, but I got way more 'exclusives' than just that one.

Again, DO NOT say it's an EXCLUSIVE when it won't be exclusive. It's false advertisement.
I like having things that other people can't have. So what?
Why do you want to have that which was exclusive to others? What makes you feel like you must have it too?

I won't buy any more 'exclusives' from this game, cuz I can just get it with you when they put it up in the mogstation. Simple.