Eden Savage Loot

[ForteNightshade]

Have not changed it once - my point was and still is that the loot system is unfair and it is very hard for people who PUG things to gear and others have said the same - and your opinion is not a fact - you did sound elitist you did sound as if you were making a threat.

You've changed it several times. Earlier you were prattling on about the Primal system, claiming it was so much better. Despite it literally being the old Savage system with total RNG. HyoMin literally quoted where you changed your argument and you handwaved it by claiming she misinterpreting you.

Basically, it's always someone else's fault. If you have to continuously tell people "go back and read every single post" and they're still finding contradictions. Maybe it's a you problem...

Made my argument and backed it up and others have agreed, if you can not be bothered to READ why should i have to REPEAT myself for you

Please quote where they specifically agree with. Note the word specifically. People citing the current system needs work doesn't mean they agree with you. They merely want to improve what's already there not change it entirely.

our language is foul honestly. . . .this just shows what you consider acceptable behaviour - threats - foul language - insults. . . .

Today I learned the word "piss" is foul language...

Where dose billy say she agrees with Hyomin ????? Quote it if you can, you cant dont worry because you made this up Billys post was on page 1 before Hyomin even posted . . . so unless your saying this person can see in to the future and agreed with Hyomin you are not being truthful here are you. . . her last post was on page 5 but again nothing about agreeing with hyomin

Also they are agreeing with me the system dose need work they both openly say this - how do you not get that ????? Both people and even more than these two agree there is something wrong with this current system which is what I have been saying therefore they agree there is something wrong with the current system - which is what I am saying - therefore they are agreeing with me, they even say it should be improved on. . .

Also you have quoted a number of things out of context - you have made threats - you have used foul language - you have insulted me - you now even lied about others. . . .Says everything I need to know

... do you understand basic English? Note where I cited Billy; immediately after referencing Noitem's making suggestions to tweak the current system. Those were two separate points: you quoting Noitems out of context, and his and Billy not readily agreeing you but still wanting tweaks made to the current system for pugs. I find it quite ironic you then go on to accuse me of lying when you literally omitted a paragraph of someone else's post because it went against your stance. Pot and kettle much?

Saying they went to see improvements is not the same as completely overhauling the system. You want to go back to the old system except make xyz changes. That's radically different than saying suggesting improvements—which I have suggested myself.

Furthermore, how have I quoted anything out of context? I've literally been quoting you and doing "snips" because your posts are half a mile long and go on random tangents. If you're saying you're out of context, I agree.

[HyoMinPark]

And how is this not offensive nid ystyried Saesneg yw fy iaith gyntaf. Rwy'n teimlo bod hyn yn sarhaus iawn, yn gyfan y byddwn i'n ei alw'n racisum hwn

If you don’t speak English as a native language, then why are you trying to argue English grammar? You clearly didn’t understand the sentence—yet, you ventured to say that ForteNightshade was lying in their post. Which, they aren’t.

Here’s how you break down this statement:

Do try not to quote people out of context. Notice how Noitems agreed with HyoMin? While they do go on to offer suggestions for ways to tweak the current system—as does Billy—they aren't readily agreeing with you.

The first “they” in this sentence

While they do go on to offer suggestions for ways to tweak the current system

is referring to Noitems, who was mentioned in the sentence before:

Notice how Noitems agreed with HyoMin?

The second “they”

they aren’t readily agreeing with you.

is still referring to Noitems. The clause

—as does Billy—

is a separate addendum that refers back to this point of the sentence:

While they do go on to offer suggestions

Grammatically, the entire sentence is referring mostly to Noitems and how they agreed with me—the context that you purposely omitted from your quote. The clause about Billy is an added thought that only applies to the statement of making suggestions. You could remove the clause, and the sentence would still mean the same thing.

That’s how you grammatically parse that sentence.

It’s fine if English isn’t your first language—but perhaps you shouldn’t try to correct native speakers, attempt to parse their sentences (incorrectly), and argue about the grammatical function of things like the general “you” when this isn’t your native language.


Also, that wasn’t a racist comment.

also you complain now mine are half a mile long whats HyoMin infact this persons has posted some longer ones than me. . .complain about one and not the other who dose the exact same thing

My posts are only as long as they are because I have to navigate and respond to you and all of your tangents. I’d wager that if a conversation were occurring between ForteNightshade and myself, they’d probably tell me I’m typing too much.

[ForteNightshade]

You mean the OLD loot system - where people could NEED and GREED things - yes it was better in my own opinion and that of a few others have even said implement need / greed - it ensured people could gear their MAIN class before gearing their alts. Hyomin has not quoted where I changed my argument my argument nor my point of view have changed

Actually, several people disagreed with you, including the ones you quoted.

So, reading your suggestion, I don't think going back to the older system is the best solution,because the new system is just too good to statics to really throw away like that. However, a better solution,I think, would be to add 1 item at the end of every floor (kind of like how e4s drops 1 random weapon and a weapon coffer) and make that item be for something that's currently on your team.

Notice how Billy suggested an improvement to the current system whereas your suggestions have been going back to the old system or making another overhaul. You can insist your stance never changed but just like before, you saying something doesn't make it accurate simply because you want it to be.

thats correct and thats what I have been saying the current system is flawed there fore it needs improving

You literally wanted the old Primal system back, and said as much to me. That isn't improving the current system, it's going back to the old one. You subsequently changed that to wanting algorithms for this, that and everything else when people kept pointing out your ideas were flawed.

Pritty sure its always been classed as foul

Yes. In pre-school.

And how is this not offensive nid ystyried Saesneg yw fy iaith gyntaf. Rwy'n teimlo bod hyn yn sarhaus iawn, yn gyfan y byddwn i'n ei alw'n racisum hwn

Accusing someone of not understanding English when they're blatantly wrong on their interpretation of the language, and then have the audacity to attempt at correcting them, is not offensive. The fact you consider it racist is laughable. First elitism, now racist. You're getting in all the buzzwords that sadly lost their relevance because of people throwing them around meaningless like you.

Among the threats - foul language and insults wheres the part where you actually suggest making improvements ???? all you have done is preach on about how this system is fine and totally works. . . when it really doesn't. Oh and again made threats used foul language and made a number of insults. . .

Literally my first post in this thread. You even quoted me. Kind of ironic, considering you've told me several times now of either not reading your posts or that I need to go back and read every single post in this thread. Apparently, you couldn't be bothered to take your own advice.

Im not saying I am out of context at all lol nice try though better luck trying next time - also you complain now mine are half a mile long whats HyoMin infact this persons has posted some longer ones than me. . .complain about one and not the other who dose the exact same thing

Because I'm not replying to HyoMin? I'd snip her posts do, though she isn't going on random tangents. Her posts are long because she's trying to parse the myriad of nonsense you keep prattling on about.

My original Post

And people both pointed flaws in this post but also offered their own suggestions. You then jumped on literally every post where someone disagreed—so much so someone even remarked how they lost interest in the thread solely because of your attitude. Your response was something along the line of "HyoMin did it first!" Which is little more than childish drivel. Posts afterwards have been citing the old Primal system, changing the current loot system entirely and a myriad of other things; including frequent breaks to call people various names. At this point, I've wasted enough time on your nonsense.