FFXIV/WOW cross over event?

[Mahrze]

You do know Microsoft owns Mojang and by extension Minecraft yet allows it to be sold for the PS4 and Switch right? A company will absolutely double down on it if it makes money.

Games like Project x Zone 1&2 also feature collabs with Capcom/Namco/Sega and even Nintendo. They do it as a joint venture so that everyone gets a profit, but also to help deal with each other's licenses.

Hell even outside games, movies like Who Framed Roger Rabbit featured both Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse on the same screen, and only agreed to it if they both shared the same amount of screen time.

The possibility is never not out there, it's just both companies need to come to an agreement. Which in most cases is all about the $$$.

If Yoshi-P and Blizzard are being buddy buddy I'd expect something like it, especially considering the MHW collab only happened because Yoshi went out drinking with the MH prodcuer.

Outside of the silly "tone", you're not disproving anything and like I said, the IPs both gained from the collabs. Microsoft (I knew btw) did the better choice and used the Minecraft craze in its favor as a publisher, which means they gain from an existing or growing market. No different than SE did with a lot of their prev FF titles going to other platforms like the Switch when they've been Sony exclusives for years.

The crossover games like X Zone, SVC and the like have a "temporary" share of the market and the millage varies between regions. Same can be said with films. I never said the possibility is not out there. Its one of those things that sound great on paper... and that's about it.

You've said it yourself (And I am to assume everyone knows it too). Its about money, money that is made at the risk of it being lost. MHW crossover was a win/win. Garo was a win/win. Yokai was a win/win. FFXIVxWoW is not a win/win because they can't reach the same demographics, they share the same market, and more importantly: are in direct competition with each other in terms of player-base and media praise. Asking for this is the same as asking a crossover of Street Fighter vs Mortal Kombat, among other examples.

[Eli85]

In this thread: Players irrationally hating on WoW. It's both annoying and hilarious.

Any sort of crossover event will never happen, and unlike what certain posters would have you believe, it has nothing to do with avoiding WoW influences at all costs. (Which, as an aside, is absolute hillarity. FF XIV was and still is tremendously influenced by WoW. The only real difference between the two games is the amount of focus end game receives and creativity on gear sets. So sorry folks, if you truly want to play a game "free of WoW influences," then XIV is the wrong choice). Anyway, back to the main point. While both S-E and Blizzard developers may show good will to each other, they know they occupy the #1 and #2 slots in the MMORPG market, and any collaboration that happens would benefit #2 far more than #1. It just makes no sense from a financial perspective for Blizzard to even consider it; they would only stand to provide exposure for their competition.

That is why collaborations will only feature in-company brands and / or outside brands that do not compete for the same customers. I'm sure someone will bring up Monster Hunter World, but despite being persistent online games, that is where the similiarities end. XIV and MHO are not even targetting the same kind of player. So, yeah.

[Hanayumi]

They could easily do a crossover just for the publicity, something like that would definitely stur things up amoung the community. I vaguely remember something about SE being a publisher/distributor, or something like that, of Overwatch in Japan so they have worked with eachother before.

[Noitems]

Outside of the silly "tone", you're not disproving anything and like I said, the IPs both gained from the collabs. Microsoft (I knew btw) did the better choice and used the Minecraft craze in its favor as a publisher, which means they gain from an existing or growing market. No different than SE did with a lot of their prev FF titles going to other platforms like the Switch when they've been Sony exclusives for years.

The crossover games like X Zone, SVC and the like have a "temporary" share of the market and the millage varies between regions. Same can be said with films. I never said the possibility is not out there. Its one of those things that sound great on paper... and that's about it.

You've said it yourself (And I am to assume everyone knows it too). Its about money, money that is made at the risk of it being lost. MHW crossover was a win/win. Garo was a win/win. Yokai was a win/win. FFXIVxWoW is not a win/win because they can't reach the same demographics, they share the same market, and more importantly: are in direct competition with each other in terms of player-base and media praise. Asking for this is the same as asking a crossover of Street Fighter vs Mortal Kombat, among other examples.

The point I'm trying to make is that IT DOES NOT MATTER what the playerbase is, they'll still do it if it makes money and if it's for the fans it's a bonus.

Companies will gladly work together (Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo being the reason I brought up Minecraft) if it ensures a profit for all the parties involved. That's a reason the recent Spider-man movie deal was struck and why Disney had to renegotiate to still make profit off them.

Money talks, and corporate entities will gladly listen. The big difference here is both teams have reviewed each other, Blizzard considering Thordan EX to be a pinnacle of good raid design, and Yoshi-P clearly throwing his support for Blizzard throughout the years. So they not only gain from a real $$$ profit, but also gain from a publicity standpoint too as they've been chummy for the years despite being direct rivals.

Also if you want to bring a clear competition in the mix there's been Capcom vs SNK, Street Fighter X Tekken, Tekken 7 featuring Akuma being playable and officially is in the lore, Tekken 7 crossing over King of Fighters and Soulcalibur VI for Samurai Shodown. All of these being direct competitors to each other for YEARS on end and they do it not only for the fans but also for the $$$.

You need to give more credit to this idea being plausible.

[Mahrze]

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Simple counterpoint: Platform availability. FFXIV is available on PS4 and PC. WoW is not on PS4. On that alone, Blizzard loses more than it gains. Even if it is all money inspired. Blizzard has less guarantees of earning as much as SE would from the crossover move.


Never said it isn't plausible. But its not on even fields.

[TheMightyMollusk]

In this thread: Players irrationally hating on WoW. It's both annoying and hilarious.

I played WoW for years. My hate for what Blizzard has done to it is fully rational.

[Vahlnir]

I played WoW for years. My hate for what Blizzard has done to it is fully rational.

Agreed. I try to remember it for what it was though and have begrudgingly accepted what it has become. It's nice when I need a break from other things but beyond that...not really. I resubbed about a month ago and cancelled it about 2 and a half weeks later. I had to ask myself "what am I even doing?" with even the most trivial rewards tied to layers upon layers of RNG. RNG itself isn't a bad thing. It has been a staple of MMOs since forever. Too much of it IS a bad thing, and that's all WoW is anymore. World of RNG.

[SamSmoot]

Hmm, you find a random portal-looking thing somewhere, click it, and you end up at Crossroads in the Barrens

[HappyHealer]

I played WoW for years. My hate for what Blizzard has done to it is fully rational.

Amen. I'd still be happily playing my lovely rogue if all things were equal. They are not.

[Edax]

The difference is in the writing chops of the team here and the team at Blizzard. It's in the way they handle those things, not in the simple fact that they exist. I think Blizzard wants to convey a fairly anti-imperialist story, but simply can't do so effectively because their "budget" for story is completely anemic. Their current expansion is a testament to writer hubris, with half of their playerbase watching in shock as an entire playable race is put to the brink of extinction and the next year and a half is spent discussing and showing how it made the ones who killed them "feel bad". That's a bad trope, and beyond that, it's deeply offensive. It's irresponsible writing.

I don't think that is their intention, but since they commit so little resources to storytelling while also wishing to tell a story of massive scope it simply doesn't play out. In XIV it's not uncommon to touch on multiple plotlines/subplots and points of view in any given patch. WoW is unable to do this because they are a "story second" game, and Blizzard themselves have all but acknowledged this. Past their flashy cinematics they are adepts at writing checks they simply can't cash in on with their writing. It's a game for raiding and dungeon grinding and little else at this point, and it excels at those things without a doubt. There is nothing here in XIV that holds a candle to the Mythic+ system, and WoW's raids continue to the standard imo.

So, yes, it's fair to accuse me of not wanting such a cross over because of my own grievances with their writers, but I think it's also fair that I have such a grievance considering I have been playing Warcraft since Tides of Darkness. But extending beyond Warcraft and my own dislike of Blizzard, I'll go ahead and say that "crossovers" should be kept to a minimum in general. XIV is at its best when it is deeply committed to telling the story of Eorzea, all of Eorzea, not travelers from the other dimension, especially ones who would clash so garishly with the aesthetic of the game itself like Thrall or Varian Wrynn or Tyrande Whisperwind or Sylvanas. It would be utterly bizarre aesthetically. I'm aware that we can justify just about anything due to the way the cosmology works here, but I don't think that gives license to just do whatever you want.

The writing in Starcraft was some of the best in video game history. I never forgave Blizzard for how awfully written Starcraft 2 was. This ultimately turned me away from Blizzard then WoW's mediocre stories. I just can't understand how they can make all that profit and yet write their biggest games like it was intended for elementary school literature.