Eden Savage Loot

[HyoMinPark]

I pug things, Im just suggesting improving the system for people who are forced to pug things because its not brilliant for people who do pug things. I personally do not want to have to compete with everyone and their alt classes for gear.

See my post above. I already addressed things they could do—along with the downfalls of each.

[HyoMinPark]

yes I did did you see mine above where I said a number of times I am suggesting a solution for people who pug, so that they can gear themselves and not have to contend with everyone and all their possible 15 classes.

These were solutions that would affect both pugs and statics. So, relevant to your scenario.

There is no perfect scenario where no one would have to compete with anyone else. If that is what you are after, you will never achieve it. Even in a static, we still compete for things like weapon and body coffers (to give two examples).

Yes he had the BiS he did not need the belt for his Bard, tbh from what classes he had levelled I dont know why he rolled for the belt, I think he just did it for the sake of it, I did genuinely go and check this. I think I actually pointed this out a few times now.

I’ve already addressed the belt—I addressed it in my very first post to you. What about the headpiece: was it i470 Augmented or i470 Savage? That’s the question I’ve asked you.

I think this is a good solution guarantees no one gets a useless drop - I mean that's a good solution, Personally I dont see a downfall with this.

The downfall is the impossibility for alt class gear to even be obtained. If you have a person who secondaries NIN, but your group doesn’t have a NIN present, how else is Scouting gear going to drop in this system if the loot tables are configured to the jobs within the instance? Eventually, people do gear their mains and alt loot is why they run the content. Implementing a system that destroys running Savage after your main has gear will kill the content faster, which the developers do not want.

The solution to gearing your alt classes I think being in a static is a solution for this alone.

So...your solution for those who want to gear alt jobs is to join a static? You realize that this is a two-way street, yes? If you want to reliably gear your main, join a static.

This isn’t a solution.

The main issue I have come here about is the way the system is for people who pug things. I personally feel it needs to be better, and personally for people who pug things I think a system should be put in place where if the person has an item equipped they shouldn't be able to roll on the EXACT same item, if they want to gear a different class come on that class - that's personally my own opinion. The system is very bad for people who pug things, and dose need to be fixed, that's all I am saying.

That was already the case prior—if the Headpiece of Aiming dropped and someone was already wearing the headpiece, they could not roll on it. Obviously, because these pieces are Unique and you cannot carry more than one of a Unique item.

This will not work for coffers, however, because the coffers are not “Head Coffer of Aiming” or “Head Coffer of Healing”; they are just “Head Coffer”. You cannot completely lock players out of rolling for a coffer, and the developers will never do this. The only alternative they would possibly implement is the option to Greed Only for players that have a Savage piece equipped—i.e., If you have the Savage headpiece currently equipped on your job, you cannot roll Need for the headpiece coffer, only Greed. Which I think would be fair—but know that even this kind of system will not completely eliminate those rolling for alt jobs—they may be wearing an Augmented i470 headpiece but roll on the Coffer because their alt uses the Savage, for example.

Also you may be happy to take things for you alts when people need them to gear their main, but I personally am not, I would prefer people to be able to gear their main classes first. I'm happy for that I mean I pass on the things I have got, I dont see what the issue is I mean I will not be unhappy that my summoner hasnt got the 470 earrings or my monk both classes are my alt classes and I never play them, so I dont care if they are 470 or 450, personally if the belt drops and someone hasnt got it on their main I am happy for that person to have it.

Hmm, I think you shouldn’t presume to speak on what I’m happy to take and what I’m not happy to take. Not that it’s any of your business, but I’ve passed on tons of loot for my alt jobs in my static so that others could have it for their alt classes. The only time I really freeroll on alt gear is if no one else wants it—just so the coffer doesn’t hit the floor.

[HyoMinPark]

where did I say perfect ? I have said better a number of times, not said perfect once. . . just better please read what I have written.

You’re asking for a system where you don’t have to compete with other players, as per that post I quoted. Contrary to what you think, I am reading. Are you?

I have already stated a number of times BiS . . . I wont repeat myself again so please read what I have already written a number of times.

You merely said i470 headpiece. There are two kinds. I still don’t know if this BRD had the Savage one or the Augmented I’m because you’ve never said. Hence why I keep asking. You could just clarify rather than coping an attitude.

I am talking about main jobs and a solution for people who use pugs, who have to contend with people who are now running pugs after gearing their main jobs and possible an alt with their statics, maybe their static is now taking a break, not people who are in statics and gearing alt jobs. I'm talking about people who are doing it alone.

Yes. And I’m offering solutions to cater to these individuals. As I’ve previously iterated.

Im sorry I previously stated why I am currently not in one did you not read that ? Clearly you didn't, so allow me to explain I was rushed in to hospital to have emergency surgery after a very serious illness, I came out I became unwell again and then went back in, this was before savage was released I believe I may have missed the first week, and while I was away I got replaced, by the static leaders GF, said static have since disbanded because they couldn't get the E1S clear. Also No I never said the solution was to join a Static, mind most people who are in a static do gear their alt jobs this way, I am saying that there has to be a better system in place loot wise, because this one is not working, for example the bard claimed he was gearing his 5th class (how true that is I dont know) but I can tell you now he had all 470 gear equipped, and the classes he used I wonder why he rolled for anything.

I don’t really care why you are or aren’t in a static. I’m telling you that telling those who want to gear alts to join a static for it is as much a non-solution as telling someone who wants to gear their main to join a static is. Some people don’t want to join statics—so telling them to join one to gear alts doesn’t really get you anywhere. Just like telling you to join one to gear your main doesn’t get them anywhere. Two way street.

Can I point something out here NEED always wins over GREED so you yourself are suggesting a system that cuts gearing alt classes out - also yes I do understand what you are saying with the Deepshadow augmented gear. . . I understand exactly what you are saying but my point that I am making is this - some people have managed to gear their mains and their alt classes while some people who use pugs are still trying to gear their main classes, I think the system needs to be improved for people who use pugs - thats what I am saying, and I am sure people who are not in a static like you are and are puging it like I am would agree.

I already said that this was an imperfect system. But thank you for pointing out that it’s imperfect.

Bad luck (or good luck) is simply luck. You were just as like to have bad luck with the old system with simply not getting drops. Mathematically, this new system is better. But RNG is a cruel mistress—speaking as someone who has crap rolls all the time.

However, I am starting to fall under the impression you aren’t interested in what I have to say simply because I’m in a static. I may not be pugging now, but I have in the past. So I can understand what it’s like to have crap luck. But anyways, this is my last response to you.