Eden Savage Loot

[HyoMinPark]

Oh yeah its all RNG I get that but like for the Primal EX's the system put in place there stops me from rolling on FENDING gear so if I am with another tank who has lets say 440 gear - and not the 450 gear from the Primal - and FENDING gear Drops then he would get that - I think that is 100% fair, I myself like that system far more than this one, its less competition.

I am honestly just saying the system for people who pug things need to be better, so that they too can get a better chance to gear themselves. Thats all.

Changing to that system still runs the risk of groups receiving drops that they don’t need—which then are likely to just hit the floor. You still see that with the random weapon drop in E4S—my group hasn’t had a single week go by where we got a weapon we actually needed for a main class save for Week 3, when the WHM cane dropped for our WHM. Each week it’s been a weapon for either: a job none of us play, or a weapon that one of us already got a coffer for (the BLM rod has dropped 4 times our of the 8 times we’ve cleared).

Sometimes you have crap RNG and walk away with nothing—but that happens to everyone. Other times, you have astounding RNG and walk away with all of the coffers. That’s the trade off for a system that guarantees drops to not be worthless.

I did actually check this he had the BiS - he already had them, and as you say the belt is not the best, so then I ask why. He also already had the headgear - the bard genuinely didn't need to roll on the items he rolled on - there were others there who in my opinion their needs were greater than his own he could have just let them have it.

Was it the i470 Augmented Deepshadow or the i470 Savage head piece? You’re only saying i470 piece, but there are two different ones. If it was the Augmented Deepshadow, well, sadly for him he wasted a twine on that because it’s not BiS for any of the Aiming jobs in any of their proposed gearsets—but the i470 Savage is BiS. The belt is useless because all of them are i470 Augmented. So I’ll concede there if his gear was as you were describing.

I will be honest that is rough, I will just say I am only saying I think the system needs to be better thats all, Im not saying anyone is doing wrong, Im just saying I think it needs to be better, like you just said casting gear dropping in a group that didn’t have a caster, yeah it dose happen, Im just wondering aloud if there's anything that can make it stop happening, but benefit all at the same time. I mean the new system is good, that way, but its bad in the way that people who have say the head piece equipped can again roll for the head piece. I mean that bard for example claimed he was gearing his 5th alt class.

The only way they could stop the useless drops is to configure an algorithm that reads party compositions each time they queue into the instance, and adjust potential loot tables off of the jobs that the game registers in the instance. But this is only effective really for gearing mains—seeking gear for alts that one may not have in one’s composition would be impossible in this scenario since the game would never drop, say, Maiming gear if there wasn’t a DRG present. That said, I doubt that the developers would take the time to configure coding for this.

Making it so that people cannot roll on a head piece coffer if they have a head piece equipped also isn’t a solution. Because then that prevents them from rolling on gear for alts in pug parties that don’t have “gear your mains only” rules or for statics who are distributing loot for alt jobs (which is what mine is currently doing because all of our mains are geared now). Changing it to Greed Only would be a better solution than to not allowing them to roll at all.

I ideally would like a system that allows everyone to be able to gear themselves at a similar time span.

I think that this would be difficult to achieve, because BiS sets are different for each role. Healers, for example, take left side pieces almost exclusively from Savage. Aiming gearsets, on the other hand, take tome gloves, belt, and legs—they have less Savage pieces compared to healers.

When you have optimal gearsets that have different ratios of Savage gear to Tomestone gear, you can’t hope to gear everyone at the same rate. I had my BiS much faster than a lot of my raid mates because theirs took more Tome pieces than mine, for example. So I got a lot of the Savage drops when they first dropped.

[HyoMinPark]

I pug things, Im just suggesting improving the system for people who are forced to pug things because its not brilliant for people who do pug things. I personally do not want to have to compete with everyone and their alt classes for gear.

See my post above. I already addressed things they could do—along with the downfalls of each.

[HyoMinPark]

yes I did did you see mine above where I said a number of times I am suggesting a solution for people who pug, so that they can gear themselves and not have to contend with everyone and all their possible 15 classes.

These were solutions that would affect both pugs and statics. So, relevant to your scenario.

There is no perfect scenario where no one would have to compete with anyone else. If that is what you are after, you will never achieve it. Even in a static, we still compete for things like weapon and body coffers (to give two examples).

Yes he had the BiS he did not need the belt for his Bard, tbh from what classes he had levelled I dont know why he rolled for the belt, I think he just did it for the sake of it, I did genuinely go and check this. I think I actually pointed this out a few times now.

I’ve already addressed the belt—I addressed it in my very first post to you. What about the headpiece: was it i470 Augmented or i470 Savage? That’s the question I’ve asked you.

I think this is a good solution guarantees no one gets a useless drop - I mean that's a good solution, Personally I dont see a downfall with this.

The downfall is the impossibility for alt class gear to even be obtained. If you have a person who secondaries NIN, but your group doesn’t have a NIN present, how else is Scouting gear going to drop in this system if the loot tables are configured to the jobs within the instance? Eventually, people do gear their mains and alt loot is why they run the content. Implementing a system that destroys running Savage after your main has gear will kill the content faster, which the developers do not want.

The solution to gearing your alt classes I think being in a static is a solution for this alone.

So...your solution for those who want to gear alt jobs is to join a static? You realize that this is a two-way street, yes? If you want to reliably gear your main, join a static.

This isn’t a solution.

The main issue I have come here about is the way the system is for people who pug things. I personally feel it needs to be better, and personally for people who pug things I think a system should be put in place where if the person has an item equipped they shouldn't be able to roll on the EXACT same item, if they want to gear a different class come on that class - that's personally my own opinion. The system is very bad for people who pug things, and dose need to be fixed, that's all I am saying.

That was already the case prior—if the Headpiece of Aiming dropped and someone was already wearing the headpiece, they could not roll on it. Obviously, because these pieces are Unique and you cannot carry more than one of a Unique item.

This will not work for coffers, however, because the coffers are not “Head Coffer of Aiming” or “Head Coffer of Healing”; they are just “Head Coffer”. You cannot completely lock players out of rolling for a coffer, and the developers will never do this. The only alternative they would possibly implement is the option to Greed Only for players that have a Savage piece equipped—i.e., If you have the Savage headpiece currently equipped on your job, you cannot roll Need for the headpiece coffer, only Greed. Which I think would be fair—but know that even this kind of system will not completely eliminate those rolling for alt jobs—they may be wearing an Augmented i470 headpiece but roll on the Coffer because their alt uses the Savage, for example.

Also you may be happy to take things for you alts when people need them to gear their main, but I personally am not, I would prefer people to be able to gear their main classes first. I'm happy for that I mean I pass on the things I have got, I dont see what the issue is I mean I will not be unhappy that my summoner hasnt got the 470 earrings or my monk both classes are my alt classes and I never play them, so I dont care if they are 470 or 450, personally if the belt drops and someone hasnt got it on their main I am happy for that person to have it.

Hmm, I think you shouldn’t presume to speak on what I’m happy to take and what I’m not happy to take. Not that it’s any of your business, but I’ve passed on tons of loot for my alt jobs in my static so that others could have it for their alt classes. The only time I really freeroll on alt gear is if no one else wants it—just so the coffer doesn’t hit the floor.