Please make healing more worthwhile than Dps-ing

[Billythepancake]

Or maybe they understand that tracking 5 dots on different timers is not fun, just tedious.

I don't know why the dots get brought up when obviously the best thing about HW was Cleric Stance.

Maybe dots get brought up because a lot of people actually enjoyed it? Just because YOU didn't like it doesn't mean nobody else had to, I honestly don't get this notion of why you think your opinions on everything is fact.

[LariaKirin]

Maybe dots get brought up because a lot of people actually enjoyed it? Just because YOU didn't like it doesn't mean nobody else had to, I honestly don't get this notion of why you think your opinions on everything is fact.

I'm not gonna preface every post with an "Opinion warning" just because it's not obvious to you that everything in this forum is opinion.

[Billythepancake]

I'm not gonna preface every post with an "Opinion warning" just because it's not obvious to you that everything in this forum is opinion.

Maybe, but it seems so out there to you that there are people who do enjoy things that you didn't, and every post you play out like it's a fact. Yes, opinions are certainly a thing and your entitled to yours, but when you say something like "stance dancing was superior" and label that as fact, just as in every post where somebody disagrees with you. You don't ever come off as "this is my opinion" you state everything as if it is fact and only your interpretation of healers or w/e is the correct one. No, you don't have to say "in my opinion" before every post, but to act like you can tell people what they enjoyed about healers, ie. Saying cleric stance was better then dots so why even bother bringing those up, makes you come off as arrogant.

[Samsta]

Maybe, but it seems so out there to you that there are people who do enjoy things that you didn't, and every post you play out like it's a fact. Yes, opinions are certainly a thing and your entitled to yours, but when you say something like "stance dancing was superior" and label that as fact, just as in every post where somebody disagrees with you. You don't ever come off as "this is my opinion" you state everything as if it is fact and only your interpretation of healers or w/e is the correct one. No, you don't have to say "in my opinion" before every post, but to act like you can tell people what they enjoyed about healers, ie. Saying cleric stance was better then dots so why even bother bringing those up, makes you come off as arrogant.

That was obviously his opinion, people don't tend to preface everything with a "this is my opinion" since it should be obvious. People tend to to express their opinions with fact like manner, nothing new.

[Billythepancake]

That was obviously his opinion, people don't tend to preface everything with a "this is my opinion" since it should be obvious. People tend to to express their opinions with fact like manner, nothing new.

Fair enough I suppose. Most likely a lot of it is biased at that individual as well, considsding how they went on tangent like"new AST is obviously superior and others will see that I'm right eventually" (still haven't seen those AST numbers go up at all, and we're 8-9 weeks into the raid tier, so, you know. Oops)

[LariaKirin]

Fair enough I suppose. Most likely a lot of it is biased at that individual as well, considsding how they went on tangent like"new AST is obviously superior and others will see that I'm right eventually" (still haven't seen those AST numbers go up at all, and we're 8-9 weeks into the raid tier, so, you know. Oops)

In the "Goodbye Astro" thread you referenced, I said "AST is strong. The healers are more balanced than they've ever been. People will realize it sooner or later". If I wanted to quote something you said in a different thread, I would have gone to that thread, found the post and made sure I quoted accurately. I expect you to to do the same.

You haven't seen the AST numbers go up "at all"? Have you even looked?

[Billythepancake]

In the "Goodbye Astro" thread you referenced, I said "AST is strong. The healers are more balanced than they've ever been. People will realize it sooner or later". If I wanted to quote something you said in a different thread, I would have gone to that thread, found the post and made sure I quoted accurately. I expect you to to do the same.

You haven't seen the AST numbers go up "at all"? Have you even looked?

My point was not to quote you or to even attack you, merely to show that I have a bias and an example of why I have said bias, so I paraphrased. Should I have gotten an exact quote? Probably, but I'm sick,tired, and at work, so I honestly cannot be bothered to dig through old threads or through profiles or w/e.

As for AST growth, yes, I looked at it this morning, sure it went up, but not in anyway that indicates it's doing well. I have an old SS from sep 2 where AST was at 15k, to today where it was at 17k. A significant growth, until you compare it to the other two healers, who grew at the same amount in the same amount of time, with WHM actually growing a bit more. Tells me the same people who were playing AST are the same people still playing it. If there were any time for AST to get more popular, it'd be now since people are getting bis and would actually care about starting to do parse runs. I am curious how it's grown compared to when the raid tier started. For much the same reason I can't be asked to go back and find the numbers it was at then,so please show me if you have them, if I remember correctly, AST hasn't grown nearly as much as the other two, but that's people off whats in my head so I wont make conjecture.

[Jandor]

Maybe dots get brought up because a lot of people actually enjoyed it? Just because YOU didn't like it doesn't mean nobody else had to, I honestly don't get this notion of why you think your opinions on everything is fact.

Well, they had to change it because Scholar is the only healer in game. If you liked healing but didn't like DoTs you literally had no other options.

[Sloprano]

Scholars all around the world had to deal with five dots and stance dancing in HW and things were going well. But apparently SE thinks players have become dumber over the years...?

I don't want to believe there's anything malicious going on. Just think they are convinced they are doing Scholars (and to my limited knowledge of them, AST and WHM) favors by removing Cleric stance, baking offensive spells into each other, removing nuance spells, streamlining identities, hand out oGCD heals like candy etc. But I wanted to chain myself to these abilities when they came in with the cleaver and shouting "No no, overcoming these incoinveniences are what makes the job so fun!" In their mind, being able to do 10 0000 damage with a single spell seems to be the more lucrative playstyle instead of having it ramp up by being a risky stance, apply several dots in prepared order, actually have to get dangerously close for Miasma 2, casting 3.0s Shadowflare while needing to keep an eye on party healthbars, Lily and boss' castbar for mitigation. Then further forget Ruin/Broil exists because at the point you have nothing else left to do, the fight is over.

Well, they had to change it because Scholar is the only heaer in game. If you liked healing but didn't like DoTs you literally had no other options.

Hehe, it's almost like there isn't three jobs in the role that couldn't afford to be strikingly different appealing to completely different playstyles. This might be in their grand plan for next expansion: "In ShB we Balanced healers, in 6.0 we balance Everything!"

And hey Tali, almost didn't recognize your portrait.

Or maybe they understand that tracking 5 dots on different timers is not fun, just tedious.

I don't know why the dots get brought up when obviously the best thing about HW was Cleric Stance.

Cleric Stance was great (in HW, not in SB and especially not in ShB on account for not existing except with a red line across it on hotbar#8.) but dots were also great. All five of them. So was Selene and the pet hotbar. And the Arcanist skills. I agree, standing before a training dummy apply the dots then stand around wasn't particulary engaging. On the other hand, apply five dots while in Cleric Stance, while Griffin is jumping back and forwards, while a DPS didn't run fast enough took an aoe to the face, the tank is in dps stance, while you're about to be shackled AND you see Aero is just about to drop off! Now that was fun. I've got so many more stories like that. The part of dodging stuff and party taking unnecessary damage still occurs, I just don't have a fraction of the things I used to be able to do while also watching out for the party or when doing stuff alone.