Please make healing more worthwhile than Dps-ing

[Miminming]

Then perhaps they need to heal more then? They made the meme “Healers Adjust” for a reason, and this is probably one of many. Whenever a party member makes a mistake that reduces their HP significantly, it costs Healers either oGCDs or GCDs and MP to heal them up or raise. This also leads to a loss of healer uptime for BOTH healers in regards to an 8-man party in most cases. A lot of this is just cooperating with your co-healer and working together to not overheal what isn’t needed(check Shurrikhan’s post above in regards to healing being capped).

Yup they need to heal more often, and again yes healing to care others than make a mechanic mistake atm is a loss to the healer dps, which is why i actually suggest an idea to make healer mechanism that making healing is not a loss... which idk seems like most of the main healer in this forum dont like the idea whitout even try to give a better idea or even discussing (i say most not all)

[ReiMakoto]

Yup they need to heal more often, and again yes healing to care others than make a mechanic mistake atm is a loss to the healer dps, which is why i actually suggest an idea to make healer mechanism that making healing is not a loss... which idk seems like most of the main healer in this forum dont like the idea whitout even try to give a better idea or even discussing (i say most not all)

If you have a system where healing is a gain youve not changed anything, you've just added a system where people will just do empty healing to do more damage, which isnt fun

If you add a system where healing is dps neutral then thats just kinda bland/ what we already have with off global healing

Personally I'm a fan of the sch approach where healing and dps use the same rescource, because then you really see a defined skillgap when you look at combined healer damage logs where people have optimised the best they can.

[Liam_Harper]

Apperantly im not clear enough in my topic opening comment, im trying to be mild but people cant dead my mind (which is my bad)

DPS AND TANK ARE DYING
Why would i complain if NOBODY is dying?

We're experiencing different things then. For me, I find it's the high damage healers that are healing well. They're usually the players who are more advanced with the class. They don't panic heal, hardcast rez on dps when the tanks are dying or hesitate in combat and they often know when the next raidwide aoe is or how much danger each player is in. When a group is dying constantly due to poor heals, you often find the healer damage is low too. In other words, an inexperienced player.

Sure you occasionally get the odd parse-hogging exception, but even then it's rare, they usually aren't a good player and they're trying to compensate. Some of the top damage healers could switch to 90th+ percentile healing in a flash if anything went bad and will recognize a group they need to pay extra attention almost from the start.

There is no point punishing the entire healer playerbase with a bonkers system that promotes hogging heals, personally rewards you for being in a bad group and makes you worthless in the overworld, all because of a tiny handful of bad players.

[Stepjam]

The thing is that with how damage is structured in 14, there is a theoretically finite amount of damage that goes out to players, assuming people are doing what they should. Consequently, there is a finite amount of healing that needs to be done before any extra healing is unnecessary.
There isn't such an upper limit for dps. More dps is always worth having. Unlike healing, you can't over dps (in normal scenarios at least).

Without restructuring how damage goes out or gimping heals, there isn't much of a way to make healers purely focus on healing.

[HyperiusUltima]

The thing is that with how damage is structured in 14, there is a theoretically finite amount of damage that goes out to players, assuming people are doing what they should. Consequently, there is a finite amount of healing that needs to be done before any extra healing is unnecessary.
There isn't such an upper limit for dps. More dps is always worth having. Unlike healing, you can't over dps (in normal scenarios at least).

Without restructuring how damage goes out or gimping heals, there isn't much of a way to make healers purely focus on healing.

The only scenarios when too much FPS was a bad thing was back when bosses had HP thresholds for certain phases. Ifrit EX was the biggest example because if you DPS’d him too fast(same with Leviathan EX), you’d force a wipe on the party due to the Ult or simply just because you hit too hard.

Speaking of which, I wouldn’t mind this mechanic in Ultimate since it forces you to stop at certain thresholds before pushing more.

[Verlyn]

I feel this dps vs. not dps debate is missing the forest for the trees. It's not that people want to do nothing but heal, it's that people want to play a support role but there is precious little support to perform when there's no damage coming out. Unfortunately, FFXIV has stripped its battle system to the bone in the name of raw balance and parity, so there is precious-little room for utility buffing, debuffing or CC or mob management-- things you'd find in a typical support-based toolkit-- that would allow healers an option other than being a "green dps."

Unfortunately, that is reality. In this game, as it is set up now, if you're not healing, then you are dpsing.

[Machi_Machiavelli]

I feel this dps vs. not dps debate is missing the forest for the trees. It's not that people want to do nothing but heal, it's that people want to play a support role but there is precious little support to perform when there's no damage coming out. Unfortunately, FFXIV has stripped its battle system to the bone in the name of raw balance and parity, so there is precious-little room for utility buffing, debuffing or CC or mob management-- things you'd find in a typical support-based toolkit-- that would allow healers an option other than being a "green dps."

Unfortunately, that is reality. In this game, as it is set up now, if you're not healing, then you are dpsing.

Just need a healer who heals while dpsing. Stone hits for 20k everyone gets healed for 20k.

[Samsta]

I feel this dps vs. not dps debate is missing the forest for the trees. It's not that people want to do nothing but heal, it's that people want to play a support role but there is precious little support to perform when there's no damage coming out. Unfortunately, FFXIV has stripped its battle system to the bone in the name of raw balance and parity, so there is precious-little room for utility buffing, debuffing or CC or mob management-- things you'd find in a typical support-based toolkit-- that would allow healers an option other than being a "green dps."

Unfortunately, that is reality. In this game, as it is set up now, if you're not healing, then you are dpsing.

If we had a healer that couldn't use any dps abilities while it was healing and the downtime would be filled with meaningful buffing I would play it asap, I don't particularly enjoy doing dps as a healer but I dislike not doing anything and standing still even more.

[YusiKha]

If we had a healer that couldn't use any dps abilities while it was healing and the downtime would be filled with meaningful buffing I would play it asap, I don't particularly enjoy doing dps as a healer but I dislike not doing anything and standing still even more.

If you're just spamming your 'buff' gcd on the strongest ally what difference is that to spamming a damage skill on the boss? How would a class with no way to damage do solo duties and overworld activities?

[HyperiusUltima]

If you're just spamming your 'buff' gcd on the strongest ally what difference is that to spamming a damage skill on the boss? How would a class with no way to damage do solo duties and overworld activities?

This. We have to still consider solo content in this regard, as the average player would think “Well, guess Healers are boring now that they do no damage!” Kinda like how every healer on the planet went up with pitchforks and torches when it came to the Healer Balance scandal. Still, I would prefer this than a true pure healer that only heals since when you’ve healed all there is to heal, the question becomes “What now?”