Monk needs to be nerfed hard. Change my mind.

[SaitoHikari]

Agreed. The ideal party setup (in my eyes) is

-Main Tank
-Support tank/OT that can either swap or help bolster the main tank
-2 selfish dps
-2 support dps
-2 healers

It's not so clear cut and more often than not balancing spots for 4 classes out of (how many DPS do we have now @_@) is going to be hard, but that's also why people like myself fought for classes like Dancer to be Heals. Having literally everything in the DPS category stifles the designs.

BRD and DNC should be loved for the utility they bring, but in their attempt to break the meta to not "needing" roles like NIN and stuff, we now have just "do all the damage" and that really sucks.

I hope we get more fleshing out of support because right now classes like BRD and DNC are nerfed only to barely be used outside of casual content.

Honestly, I feel like most of the support being gutted was in response to how the community treated party buffs last expansion. When you really look at it, most of it was only because people wanted higher rankings on FFLogs. But now that the site has switched to raid DPS display meaning damage increase from party buffs is shifted from other party members to the caster, half the reason for that behavior is gone now.

The only problematic part about how support worked last expansion was in regards to piercing/slashing/blunt debuffs being a thing, because those absolutely promoted specific and rigid class compositions. There were ranged last expansion that refused to raid without a Dragoon in the party to provide piercing debuff. That's also gone, so that's another big chunk of support imbalance and how it influences player behavior is something we don't need to worry about anymore. The devs could bring back Foe Requiem/crit song aura/Hypercharge/old Astrologian cards/and so on, and things would look a lot more balanced again. We could get new support added in too, which is why I've been advocating for a defensive Warden's Paean rework in recent weeks that would work as a shield/mitigation/mini-excog depending on the active song.

If you checked my first post. You'd see that MNK isn't overtuned though, it is 2nd in E1s, 2nd in E2s and 1st on E3S and E4S. Simply because the positional requirements are removed for parts of the fights. E2S is literally full uptime and MNK is still 2nd to BLM. If the Job was so overtuned it would be top in every fight would it not?

Just because it isn't first in every fight means it's not overtuned? The hell kind of logic is this?

Answer me this: Why is a class with better support than half the classes below them competing with a selfish caster for the top DPS spot, and why does anyone think that is okay?