Tactful ways to inform people that they're playing badly?

[SerLuke]

It is what also keeps DPS queue times long as well since people will be afraid to try non-dps jobs. Elitists never realize how their views affect regular people but think everyone is wrong and they are right after all.

Dude it’s the truth I finally got out of my shell but reading a lot of posts on here on Reddit made me terrified of trying classes outside of my comfort zone for fear of screwing up my rotation or positionals since I have a learning disability and it takes me longer than most people to get a feel for a class esp ones I haven’t touched in a few years that have been changed since Heavensward. thankfully most people in game aren’t like that.

[AlphaFox]

One thing to keep in mind though is angry people will always be more vocal than the content players. Sure the first Tank or Healer attempt you do may be plagued with issues or rude jerks but its probably more likely you get a string of good or friendly people who will go "He's new, works for me".

[RoyalBeef]

Attitudes like this are the reason why I quit healing in this game. I used to login after a long shift and enjoy healing and relaxing. Now if a healer is not doing big DPS, compensating for people’s mistakes / laziness and more... there bad.

I play this game to relax. People are turning healing into a stressful second job where you don’t get paid. It’s time for people to stop harassing healers about DPS, period.

So asking you to not stand around doing nothing 80% of the time is now harrassment. Ok. If all you want to do is press a heal button every 60 seconds, I can as well take a bot with me, at least they won't roll for loot ^^

[RoyalBeef]

Goes to show how most DPS are bad that healer dps are vital to clear content. When I first started this game I was surprised that healers were expected to dps which makes the trinity job system kinda pointless. SE can't get rid of healer dps spells or they won't be able to clear solo msq content. Technically, they could just restrict dps spells in group content but meh.

healers being dedicated to only healing is a thing in games where most damage is unavoidable and mana is scarce, so they obviously are told to not waste it on damage spells because once they are oom it's a guaranteed wipe. In FF14, most of the damage is avoidable and nullifiable, and mana is infinite. So there is plain and simple no need for healers to preserve mana, so why wouldn't they cast damage spells while they don't hve anything else to do for a minute because the party is at full hp and not taking serious damage?

I mean enjoy trying to clear E2S at min ilvl without healer damage. It's impossible, that's a mathematical fact. So tell me more about how a Raid designed to require healer DPS to kill it means that DPS players are bad

[Dirwen]

healers being dedicated to only healing is a thing in games where most damage is unavoidable and mana is scarce, so they obviously are told to not waste it on damage spells because once they are oom it's a guaranteed wipe. In FF14, most of the damage is avoidable and nullifiable, and mana is infinite. So there is plain and simple no need for healers to preserve mana, so why wouldn't they cast damage spells while they don't hve anything else to do for a minute because the party is at full hp and not taking serious damage?

I mean enjoy trying to clear E2S at min ilvl without healer damage. It's impossible, that's a mathematical fact. So tell me more about how a Raid designed to require healer DPS to kill it means that DPS players are bad

Can't comment much on savage content as I don't do it but the fact from all the posts on here is that you people can't even clear it without 3rd party tools anyway. Cheaters looking down on casual players that just wanna have fun just irks me. I joined FF14 since it is mainly a casual themepark mmo and for the most part it delivers. The fact that SE had to change the TOS to prevent toxic players from bitching at players only proves you people are in the minority yet you guys are so vocal on the forums.

[Lersayil]

If we make it through the duty, I just leave a single concise sentence that their rotation is horrible and that they should look at a guide (assuming they weren't just afk). Depending how bad it was I try to supress the salt. I don't really say anything unless they barely contribute though.

If they are so bad that its making duty completion impossible after multiple wipes, silent kick or leave. No matter how good the feedback, it usually wont make things adequately better for that run, and only adds on the already high time investment.

As for the "only healing" healers. Eh fine. I don't like them, but if the run is otherwise smooth I can live with it. I did see an AST the other day though in Holminster only casting Benefic. Nothing else. No OGCDs. No pause. Just Benefic. JUST BENEFIC. JUST BENEFIC.

Memes aside just the sound effects of the spell started to give me an annurism halfway through the dungeon.

[Atreides]

There really is no tactful way to tell people they are bad.
Players who can't handle critisism will always take offense no matter how you do it.
I just stopped saying anything because even if you just want to give advice on how they can improve their performance you are the bad guy and elitist scum that needs to be told off.

[RoyalBeef]

There really is no tactful way to tell people they are bad.
Players who can't handle critisism will always take offense no matter how you do it.
I just stopped saying anything because even if you just want to give advice on how they can improve their performance you are the bad guy and elitist scum that needs to be told off.

I don't get how people just have zero drive to improve. It doesn't even take much effort. I wonder how they take on single player games. Like SMB 1, always running straight till they fall into the first pit, over and over, nver making it across, but it's fine, bc it's just for fun. No, they learn how to jump properly, because there is no one there to carry them over the pit. It's only in an online enviroment where other people can do it for them where they refuse to learn how to jump acros that pit. It's so weird. Oh and when you calculate the optimal pixel to jump from and how far you hve to jump to make it, you're a toxic elitist cheater ^^

[Lersayil]

I don't get how people just have zero drive to improve. It doesn't even take much effort. I wonder how they take on single player games. Like SMB 1, always running straight till they fall into the first pit, over and over, nver making it across, but it's fine, bc it's just for fun. No, they learn how to jump properly, because there is no one there to carry them over the pit. It's only in an online enviroment where other people can do it for them where they refuse to learn how to jump acros that pit. It's so weird. Oh and when you calculate the optimal pixel to jump from and how far you hve to jump to make it, you're a toxic elitist cheater ^^

Or they play generally easy games and / or games where even if you dont or cant do the intended mechanic, there is a way to brute force the issue (for example RPGs).

[RoyalBeef]

Or they play generally easy games and / or games where even if you dont or cant do the intended mechanic, there is a way to brute force the issue (for example RPGs).

It's this weird generation that complains about Dark Souls an Cuphead being "non inclusive" because of difficulty, and feeling entitled that they should be able to play through it without skill because they paid for it, no matter how bad they are. Or even demanding refunds because a game is too hard for them... like are you fkn kidding me? That's exactly the kind of person we're dealing with in every single thread about "toxicity" and "elitism". Entitled spoiled brats.