Tactful ways to inform people that they're playing badly?

[Dreakon13]

I don't see a problem. You can find ANY info on the Internet. If you don't understand something irl, you ask someone who knows or you Google it. Not everyone has time to babysit every new player they meet. Not every new player will even try to listen to more experienced one at all.
Some new player get so used to others jumping around them left and right (*but new player*) so they don't even try to learn anything about the game themselves. And then we see these *aw he's a new player* at lvl 80 doing less dps than a healer. But ofc you're not allowed to tell them that they are not doing well and need to change things. And they get kicked silently. Because by the time you get to 80 you SHOULD know basics and rotation of the class you play. And you can find that info on the Internet. If you're interested enough.
Don't get me wrong, I respect every player in this game, new, veterans, etc and I understand that everyone needs their time. But as myself being new back in HW I was looking for every bit of info I could get, Google, people in DF, asking friends. Because I didn't want to be a burden for people who played that game for years, so finding info is not hard.

You realize the post you quoted wasn't really talking about a hypothetical crappy level 80 DPS right? He was talking about you being catty with a new player on the forums... a new player who by all accounts tries to be the considerate player you claim to respect. Deflecting to justify your poor behavior here is petty... and I agree, probably indicative of your behavior in-game too.

Which explains a lot... explains a lot of the posts here of the heroic vet players "trying" to help the lowlife, unappreciative new players.

[Nora_of_Mira]

You realize the post you quoted wasn't really talking about a hypothetical crappy level 80 DPS right? He was talking about you being catty with a new player on the forums... a new player who by all accounts tries to be the considerate player you claim to respect. Deflecting to justify your poor behavior here is petty... and I agree, probably indicative of your behavior in-game too.

Which explains a lot... explains a lot of the posts here of the heroic vet players "trying" to help the lowlife, unappreciative new players.

you will find that the community in-game is a lot less toxic than the forums and is generally more helpful, assuming you find them/join a good FC or linkshell.

[SerLuke]

Can't comment much on savage content as I don't do it but the fact from all the posts on here is that you people can't even clear it without 3rd party tools anyway. Cheaters looking down on casual players that just wanna have fun just irks me. I joined FF14 since it is mainly a casual themepark mmo and for the most part it delivers. The fact that SE had to change the TOS to prevent toxic players from bitching at players only proves you people are in the minority yet you guys are so vocal on the forums.

That’s part of the problem, these toxic elitists basically view every bit of casual content the same way they do savage, I guarantee you if these people didn’t have access to other people’s numbers you would he hearing from them a lot less. I’m honestly a bit terrified of some of these people, if they get this angry over people making mistakes in a video game what would happen if someone cut them off in traffic or messed JP their food order? A scary thought I don’t want to consider.

[FedoraTheExplorer]

i just had a healer who was doing nothing but healing on a 76 lvl dungeon,an astro player and guess what.. he was not even using a single divination,i was very very frustrated

i needed to go let go my frustration so i told him what i think about his "gameplay" right after the last boss death(without any bad words) and i left instantly,if i was with friends he would be instant kicked after the 1st pulls/boss ,i absolutely HATE players like that

edit : dont waste your time to argue with my post

Oh no. A healer who didn't DPS. The shock and horror. I'm shaking right now. I can't believe this. Better go on the forums and tell people how much I hate this one rando who I'll never see again, who didn't, gasp, DPS, more gasping.

[MikuMitsuko]

Okay, TIL that trying to improve yourself with parses is cheating...
This is honestly the first MMO I've played where it seems the majority of players actively push against attempts to improve at cap. And this is also the MMO with the lowest average skill out of the ones I've played. What's so bad about... not being bad? The cries of "toxicity" and "elitism" when you expect more than the very bare minimum from capped players is baffling.

Disclaimer because I guess I have to: None of this applies to sprouts/casual content. You should never expect perfection from new players. They still need to learn, don't yell at them. If they ask for advice, thank the Twelve, and help them. If they don't ask? It's easy content, the world won't end because Daniel Dragoon in Shisui of the Violet Tides didn't keep up buffs 100% of the time or Harry Healer overhealed the tank every trash pull - move on.

[SerLuke]

Okay, TIL that trying to improve yourself with parses is cheating...
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If that’s the full extent of it I’m fine with it, it’s when people start posting about other people’s numbers esp in casual content where it becomes an issue.

[MikuMitsuko]

If that’s the full extent of it I’m fine with it, it’s when people start posting about other people’s numbers esp in casual content where it becomes an issue.

I definitely agree with that. It's because of people who do those things that parsers are against the ToS :/. Outside of high-end content the only numbers that matter should be your own numbers.

[RoyalBeef]

If that’s the full extent of it I’m fine with it, it’s when people start posting about other people’s numbers esp in casual content where it becomes an issue.

Hows that an issue? As you say yourself it doesn't matter in casual content, so why would you care about someone posting about those? Also I still highly doubt it happens half as often as people claim. I tried plying DRG. I sucked. My numbers sucked. If someone would hve called me out saying my numbers sucked, I would have agreed with them because I was alread shaking my head at myself. How many people commented on my numbers? None. Zero.

You feel entitled to sh*it all over endgame players, calling them toxic, cheaters, potential dangerous criminals irl (lol), and then act outraged when you get bombared with smug and cynical responses.

[monk-dps]

You don't really. Cause unless you're making a PF the only options you really have are to kick or leave. Because lets be blunt, most people rather they new or not do not want you random person they will never see again telling them anything. Even if it's the truth, people in general don't want other people telling them what to do. does it suck, ofcourse but thats the world we live in. From my limited time ingame I just laugh and move on. It's not worth it to try to pretty up words that lack tone because there's no voice. But I'm just a dps anyway so my only job is kill shit so....

[SerLuke]

Hows that an issue? As you say yourself it doesn't matter in casual content, so why would you care about someone posting about those? Also I still highly doubt it happens half as often as people claim. I tried plying DRG. I sucked. My numbers sucked. If someone would hve called me out saying my numbers sucked, I would have agreed with them because I was alread shaking my head at myself. How many people commented on my numbers? None. Zero.

You feel entitled to sh*it all over endgame players, calling them toxic, cheaters, potential dangerous criminals irl (lol), and then act outraged when you get bombared with smug and cynical responses.

I did no such thing, I know plenty of Endgame players who don’t act like jerks about people in casual content not playing completely up to par. I was not calling out all Endgame players at all just the ones with bad attitudes towards those less skilled than they are.